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==Previously on the air==
==Previously on the air==
* [[User talk:Ngng/TopicsArchive2014|2014 Archive]]
* [[User talk:Ngng/TopicsArchive2014|2014 Archive]]
==Other links==
* [[User:Ngng/RawImportData2Links|Wiki to Forum links table (raw)]]


== What to do on the wiki ==
== What to do on the wiki ==
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:Forum user test: {{ForumUser|General Plot}}
:Forum user test: {{ForumUser|General Plot}}
== Replace/automation work that may be considered for future endeavors ==
* Set page playability statuses according to new test cases ([[:Category:Temp new test case]], [[:Category:Temp new test case too long]])
* Sort test entries (new test entries were inserted at the top of test tables). Such a work can possibly only be done by hands and it is pretty time consuming.
* Use [http://www.gamefaqs.com/ps2/list-999 Game faqs] to create still missing titles, update developers/publishers, serials, release dates, AKAs, genres, multiplayer status. I'd even get boxarts from them but I'd need their permission for that. So no luck here I guess.
* Automatically set Wikipedia links (where possible) -- not that hard
* Automatically update game descriptions from Wikipedia (where possible) -- pretty hard considering Wikipedia articles are not uniform.
* Automatically update Developers/Publishers from Wikipedia (where possible) -- not that hard; but it will surface many non-PS2 developers so this is questionable.
* Automatically update release dates from Wikipedia (where possible) -- seems like a doable project.
* Automatically update genres from Wikipedia (where possible) -- also looks doable.
* Automatically update box arts from Wikipedia (where possible and needed) -- many of Wikipedia images aren't PS2 box arts, although it does not matter THAT much it's still a bad thing, additionally this project would require a certain amount of work, so it's kinda hard and questionable.
* Automatically link game review fields (where needed) to Metacritic or some other similar site -- difficulty is not obvious atm.
* Finish with all needed navboxes. This can only be done by hands (although I could imagine myself doing some sort of automation here but it would kill all the fun I suppose).


== More Tags ==
== More Tags ==
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:Ah, yes? Oh... Okay! --[[User:Ngng|Ngng]] ([[User talk:Ngng|talk]]) 21:00, 24 February 2015 (UTC)
:Ah, yes? Oh... Okay! --[[User:Ngng|Ngng]] ([[User talk:Ngng|talk]]) 21:00, 24 February 2015 (UTC)


==New information on GSdx's texture filtering options==
Hey I have more accurate info about the different options for Texture Filtering. This is coming from gregory himself so it is as accurate as it can be:
1/ disable every where
2/ force every where
3/ only do it when the PS2 request it.
So basically the grayed option only filters textures that the game itself tells it to filter, which is what the PS2 does. I got the info from here: https://github.com/PCSX2/pcsx2/issues/630#issuecomment-117973274
-[[User:Karasuhebi|Karasuhebi]] ([[User talk:Karasuhebi|talk]]) 18:11, 13 July 2015 (BST)
::Okay, then you should change the description, I guess. I heard it differently from somewhere back in the days. It's possible that PS2 could "request" not to filter in case of 2D sprites which is basically what's written in the description right now. Unfortunately I'm not familiar with PS2 on any level beyond pushing power button. (And to be honest PS2 team could use a couple of good dedicated devs these days. GSdx does not get any real updates for years now)... --[[User:Ngng|Ngng]] ([[User talk:Ngng|talk]]) 18:35, 13 July 2015 (BST)
:::It's actually the game that requests the filtering/not filtering of textures, so if the PS2 is not filtering sprites (no need to say "2D sprites", as sprites are only in 2D) it is because the game told it to turn off filtering for those textures. But yeah, I'll fix the entry. I just thought I'd share it here because I figured you would find it interesting. -[[User:Karasuhebi|Karasuhebi]] ([[User talk:Karasuhebi|talk]]) 16:47, 14 July 2015 (BST)
::I still think there's more to it than a game's free will. But you should change the article of course (and look for it in windows guide also, it may contain some similar info). --[[User:Ngng|Ngng]] ([[User talk:Ngng|talk]]) 16:52, 14 July 2015 (BST)
:::I don't think there is. gregory is our main GSdx developer right now and he's been knee-deep in GS code for months now. I trust that the information he is giving us is completely accurate. Oh I forgot to mention that to you in my last comment. GSdx has been getting real updates lately. gregory has been making some amazing strides for accuracy, specially in the OpenGL renderer. There's going to be a GSdx version bump coming soon, and I would imagine the OpenGL renderer might become the default some time in the future. :) -[[User:Karasuhebi|Karasuhebi]] ([[User talk:Karasuhebi|talk]]) 17:03, 14 July 2015 (BST)
::It's nice to be enthusiastic about things. I wish I could do that on a regular basis. Hope you're right about GSdx. --[[User:Ngng|Ngng]] ([[User talk:Ngng|talk]]) 17:15, 14 July 2015 (BST)


== Please delete these ==
== Please delete these ==
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:Or the fourth option would be to make all icons a bit smaller for the current GPU icon to feel right at home. Your decision. I left the squared icon in the test infobox for you to see. I think it fits okay.
:Or the fourth option would be to make all icons a bit smaller for the current GPU icon to feel right at home. Your decision. I left the squared icon in the test infobox for you to see. I think it fits okay.
:About gradient: yes that's what I meant. My tongue failed me. It's the only out of place icon now in my opinion. --[[User:Ngng|Ngng]] ([[User talk:Ngng|talk]]) 07:32, 14 May 2015 (BST)
:About gradient: yes that's what I meant. My tongue failed me. It's the only out of place icon now in my opinion. --[[User:Ngng|Ngng]] ([[User talk:Ngng|talk]]) 07:32, 14 May 2015 (BST)
::Just to update you guys, I won't be able to work on the icons until June. Also if anyone wants the .svg files just ask.
::--[[User:SHunter|SHunter]] 4:55, 26 May 2015 (GMT-5)
:Well, June is around the corner and we have no reason to hurry, so take your time! --[[User:Ngng|Ngng]] ([[User talk:Ngng|talk]]) 06:29, 27 May 2015 (BST)
:Btw, when I look on the test page now the icons seem too big to me. Maybe it's just my imagination...
:As a summation: we already have '''widescreen (all 3 icons)''', '''progressive + interlased''' (look a bit odd), '''gpu-intesive''', '''cpu-intensive''' (possibly needs to be a tiny bit smaller), '''HD icon'''.
:What we do not have: '''sw rendering only''' and '''hw rendering supported''', '''perfectly emulated game'''. --[[User:Ngng|Ngng]] ([[User talk:Ngng|talk]]) 19:19, 29 May 2015 (BST)
::Personally I see no need for a 'GPU-intensive' button. It's always going to hit your GPU when you set scaling to higher, and there's only a select few games that are truly heavy on the GPU. If I had to guess I'd say 95% relies on CPU more than GPU. I guess if there's enough space for it you can add it, but if you need space for the HW Rendering/SW Rendering instead, then I'd vote for dropping this one for now. -- [[User:Ryudo|Ryudo]] ([[User talk:Ryudo|talk]]) 20:18, 29 May 2015 (BST)
:Well there's no real harm in having this icon, either. It's not like it will consume any server resources or such. Even if we have only 5 GPU intensive games, why not mark them accordingly? There will always be users with toasters (mobile or laptops) so some unlucky soul may still find this info useful. --[[User:Ngng|Ngng]] ([[User talk:Ngng|talk]]) 11:00, 30 May 2015 (BST)


== New place for discussions ==
== New place for discussions ==
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::::That's not really the point though. Everyone can discuss it here just fine. But ng is the only one that can make a difference or implement things. That's why it should be on this page (for now at least) imo. A lot of wikis do it your way, but a lot of wikis also do it the way I described here. Using the Admin's talk pages to discuss changes/implementations. In the end it doesn't really matter to me where it's being done. So either way works I guess. -- [[User:Ryudo|Ryudo]] ([[User talk:Ryudo|talk]]) 11:02, 20 May 2015 (BST)
::::That's not really the point though. Everyone can discuss it here just fine. But ng is the only one that can make a difference or implement things. That's why it should be on this page (for now at least) imo. A lot of wikis do it your way, but a lot of wikis also do it the way I described here. Using the Admin's talk pages to discuss changes/implementations. In the end it doesn't really matter to me where it's being done. So either way works I guess. -- [[User:Ryudo|Ryudo]] ([[User talk:Ryudo|talk]]) 11:02, 20 May 2015 (BST)
:::I think anyone can use Community Portal just fine, and I'll be totally fine with it. Btw user rights management (i.e. making a ninja of any new user) and page deletion are all my "special" rights.
:::As for General Discussions page you can create it, fill it will some starting info and make a link from Community Portal. But I'm really struggling to believe that having two similar pages here would be wise. It's not a million user wiki or Wikipedia after all. --[[User:Ngng|Ngng]] ([[User talk:Ngng|talk]]) 19:03, 20 May 2015 (BST)
== New game properties icons (cont.) ==
While waiting for SHunter to finally reappear, I took the liberty to create a comparison page with different icon sizes. I had the suspicion that they look too big and now I'm sure of it. Please take a look at [[User:Ngng/test1|this page]]. The first infobox has the 55 pixel width icons at their current "native" resolution. The following infoboxes have 40, 35, 30 and 25 px icons accordingly. Talking the size of the infobox itself into account it looks that 55 pixels size is not reasonable. I'd say only the last variant seems to have too small icons but all those inbetween look better than the first. Which one will you prefer, guys? --[[User:Ngng|Ngng]] ([[User talk:Ngng|talk]]) 19:56, 19 June 2015 (BST)
:I've decided to commit the changes with 35x35px icons. It's been almost two months already, so...
:@SHunter: I'll edit some of your icons if the new resolution will require, but you can finish them anytime you'll be back. --[[User:Ngng|Ngng]] ([[User talk:Ngng|talk]]) 16:21, 2 July 2015 (BST)
:The current icons set:
{{Image with spaces|file=No WS Support.png}}{{Image with spaces|file=Widescreen Patched.png}}{{Image with spaces|file=Widescreen Supported.png}}{{Image with spaces|file=Interlaced.png}}{{Image with spaces|file=Progressive.png}}{{Image with spaces|file=GPU.png}}{{Image with spaces|file=CPU.png}}{{Image with spaces|file=HD.png}}{{Image with spaces|file=Perfect.png}}{{Image with spaces|file=SW Only.png}}{{Image with spaces|file=HW Supported.png}}
{{Clear new paragraph}}
=== Filling the info ===
* widescreen patched games: source '''cheats_ws.zip'''. I believe I'll find the time to fill those myself (using the bot hopefully).
* <s>widescreen native games: source '''Wikipedia'''</s>
* no widescreen games: source '''unknown'''
* interlaced only NTSC: source '''unknown'''
* <s>progressive NTSC: source '''Wikipedia'''</s>
* GPU intensive: source '''common knowledge probably + forums'''
* CPU intensive: source '''common knowledge probably + forums'''
* Nice looking in HD: source '''common knowledge probably + forums'''
* Perfect game: source '''forums (I'll try to ask people there, there should not be that many such games)'''
* <s>SW only games: source '''unknown (forums?)'''</s> - I'm marking most of them by simply using wiki search, they'll evolve naturally from there...
* HW supported games: source '''unknown (forums?)'''
::I'm back, sorry for the wait (again).
::Should I change the icons so they are 35x35px?
::Also here's a source to find which games support progressive scan (480p) or has widescreen support (16:9 aspect ratio): https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_PlayStation_2_games_with_HD_support
::--[[User:SHunter|SHunter]] 5:07, 10 July 2015 (GMT-5)
:Oh, Hi! Welcome back!
:That's a nice find! I'll even copy some notes from that page! There aren't so many games with native 480p or 16:9 support it seems.
:Well the icon set is in your hands now, if you have time and think they will look better that'd be wonderful to recreate them in 35x35. (I will only update the "perfect game icon" and stop tinkering with them) --[[User:Ngng|Ngng]] ([[User talk:Ngng|talk]]) 07:26, 11 July 2015 (BST)
:A small comment: it's weird but a simple resize gives a better quality "16:9" than a different font size you used: [http://i.imgur.com/NxQMTzX.png?1 left one is resized] (Don't want to nitpick, just commenting). --[[User:Ngng|Ngng]] ([[User talk:Ngng|talk]]) 16:24, 14 July 2015 (BST)
::The one on the right seems to be shrunk down further than the one on the left by about 1 or 2 pixels. That might've caused the extra blurriness on the font. Normally there's no way it should look better just resizing it without fixing the text. (Fonts always get blurred) -- [[User:Ryudo|Ryudo]] ([[User talk:Ryudo|talk]]) 05:31, 16 July 2015 (BST)
:Most fonts are a bunch of vectors, so it is up to software how to rasterize it. Resizing bigger rasterized image will often result in better looking smaller image. That's the principle of FSAA. I'm okay with the current image, I was just commenting on it. --[[User:Ngng|Ngng]] ([[User talk:Ngng|talk]]) 17:59, 17 July 2015 (BST)
Sorry for the delay. I really want to help out but I just can't find the time. I decided to upload the sources to the icons, that way someone else could also help make icons: https://mega.nz/#!T51AXaDB!fxeIdVRHxcauVeUkEanpxzzqArpVc3jieE8RbVQXDIU
Also for the "SW Only" and "HW Supported" icon maybe we can use this picture of ratchet: http://i.imgur.com/FUsssw1.png
and the same picture pixelated: http://i.imgur.com/3ll0vAq.png
The original source for the picture is here: http://img9.imageshack.us/img9/4246/rac10.png
I have some ideas for other icons we can make that I was saving to discuss until after I was done with the current set of icons (but that might not be for a while). So I'll just list them here for now:
*Games that support surround sound (or other advanced audio setups)
*Games that have offline multiplayer (maybe separate icons to show how many players are supported)
*Online Multiplayer
*LAN Multiplayer support
*Games that have earned the "Greatest Hits" title
*Support for accessories (maybe separate icons for different accessories e.g. Eye Toy, Steering Wheel, Mic...)
And finally, here's another source we can use: http://www.ign.com/boards/threads/ps2-info-list-of-lists-online-gh-hdtv-surround-sound-etc.50920385/
--[[User:SHunter|SHunter]] 5:41, 21 July 2015 (GMT-5)
:Ratchet looks definitely better than my Utah teapot (I took it [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Utah_teapot#/media/File:Utah_teapot_simple_2.png here] just in case) but could he be copyrighted (especially if it was a part of a boxart picture)? If it's free let's try him out.
:As for the other icons -- the more the merrier. I'll add all of those if you give me the icons.
:Unfortunately LAN support for PCSX2 was never properly finished and we still lack Eye Toy and Mic support (I'd definitely play Lifeline on PCSX2). --[[User:Ngng|Ngng]] ([[User talk:Ngng|talk]]) 06:48, 22 July 2015 (BST)
So I finally found some time to make some more icons :P
*Multiplayer Icon: https://i.imgur.com/9MGaSE7.png
*Online Multiplayer: https://i.imgur.com/JTc3nY9.png
Although I'm still struggling to make an icon to show games that don't work well with hardware rendering. This was probably my best attempt:
* https://i.imgur.com/j5wvwAO.png
--[[User:SHunter|SHunter]] 3:15, 24 Dec 2015 (GMT-5)
:You're back! I can't believe it! :) I mean, it's been a while this time. I added some new icons to the wiki but I think you've seen them already. And I kinda lack time these day (I only start my robot periodically).
:You definitely have some out of the box vision, but I still think these new icons are too complex comparing to current simple ones. Try them to see how will they look, or line them up with the current icons, so that we can compare. --[[User:Ngng|Ngng]] ([[User talk:Ngng|talk]]) 22:37, 24 December 2015 (UTC)
Sorry for the late reply, I haven't checked the wiki in a long time. Anyways here's some comparison screenshots
:Current page: http://i.imgur.com/PhYUjuj.png
:New Icons: http://i.imgur.com/TUWUD9V.png
I tried making the icons more simple but it was hard to recognize that the controller was a controller until I added more detail. Should I redesign them? Also I find myself on the IRC more frequently nowadays. Do you use IRC? It may be easier to communicate through pcsx2's IRC channel.
--[[User:SHunter|SHunter]] 10:43, 27 Feb 2016 (GMT-5)
:Oh, wow! Why does this page look like a bad dream on your laptop (is it?)? Even considering the bigger font I, for the life of me, can't understand why does your Firefox resize the revision column like it does (and most of the other total width related columns). Revision column is supposed to be 9% of all page width while CPU/GPU is 16%, and the former is bigger in your browser! The comments column is so condensed it's just so ugly :( (just take a look at [http://imgur.com/MPWVIXP my Firefox] I resized its window to resemble your resolution)! I tried to make this table look at least decent, but it looks like a poo in Linux, why? :(
:Sorry...
:As for the icons, I kinda still like mine 5-minutes made icons better, they look more simple to me. I have nothing against your icons though (except I think both controllers should possibly be of the same size), so let's ask local folks here if they like the new icons more, I'll rely on their opinion. --[[User:Ngng|Ngng]] ([[User talk:Ngng|talk]]) 17:31, 27 February 2016 (UTC)
Don't be mislead by my screenshots. I changed a settings called layout.css.devPixelsPerPx which basically change the the resolution websites are shown at (YouTube videos fit better with the value change). Here's a screenshot with that setting on it's default value: http://i.imgur.com/yw11RID.png
Looks similar to your screenshot :P
--[[User:SHunter|SHunter]] 11:46, 27 Feb 2016 (GMT-5)
:Ah, that's better, yes (still a bit different but okay).
:I hope someone will answer here about the icons, people are quite inactive these days. --[[User:Ngng|Ngng]] ([[User talk:Ngng|talk]]) 05:56, 28 February 2016 (UTC)
:Well, they just refuse to answer it seems :(. Okay, proceed then if you think your icons are "sufficiently" better, but please if you do, try to size both controllers similarly (otherwise these two icons aren't a couple). --[[User:Ngng|Ngng]] ([[User talk:Ngng|talk]]) 18:37, 1 March 2016 (UTC)
I asked on the IRC and there was one vote to keep the current icons and one vote for the proposed icons... My main problems with the current icons is that the 'network multiplayer' icon isn't obvious enough and I'm not a big fan of the color scheme. Maybe I can make something closer to middle-ground (a simpler icon) or cleanup my current icons. --[[User:SHunter|SHunter]] 07:19, 2 Mar 2016 (GMT-5)
:They still use IRC these days? Interesting... Okay then try to simplify yours, recolor mine or come up with something new, it's up to you. --[[User:Ngng|Ngng]] ([[User talk:Ngng|talk]]) 06:54, 3 March 2016 (UTC)
== General discussions ==
Posted something on general discussions that I want you guys to chime in on. Thanks! -[[User:Karasuhebi|Karasuhebi]] ([[User talk:Karasuhebi|talk]]) 08:06, 19 July 2015 (BST)
== Moujuutsukai to Oujisama ==
I've stumbled upon game FAQs serial error which took me almost 40 min to untangle. It's getting harder and harder as if re-releases like "Monster Trux Extreme: Arena Edition" -> "Monster Trux Arenas: Special Edition" were not enough... It looks easy when you collect all of them like this (but it's a real adventure to solve the mystery of wrong serials):
* 猛獣使いと王子様 ～Snow Bride～ - SLPM-55287, http://www.jp.playstation.com/software/title/slpm55287.html  Moujuutsukai to Oujisama: Snow Bride, http://www.play-asia.com/moujuutsukai-to-oujisama-snow-bride/13/7042us
* 猛獣使いと王子様 ～Snow Bride～ 限定版 - SLPM-55286, http://www.jp.playstation.com/software/title/slpm55286.html
* 猛獣使いと王子様 限定版 (LE) - MJP2-00605, http://www.jp.playstation.com/software/title/mjp200605.html  (Moujuutsukai to Oujisama [Limited Edition]), http://www.play-asia.com/moujuutsukai-to-oujisama-limited-edition/13/703sol
* 猛獣使いと王子様 - SLPM-55264, http://www.jp.playstation.com/software/title/slpm55264.html (Moujuutsukai to Oujisama), http://www.play-asia.com/moujuutsukai-to-oujisama/13/703sok
I hate SingStar, not only it pushes tasteless, soulless commercial music (okay, maybe along with more decent music sometimes, but it's still buried in "hits"), it's also almost impossible to collect and link all European names of myriads SingStar releases. I always work with assumption that the Wiki has all the titles already created. Just take a look at the leftovers:
* SingStar Afrikaanse Treffers
* <s>SingStar Clásicos</s>
* <s>Singstar ESKA: Hity na Czasie</s>
* SingStar Italian Greatest Hits
* <s>SingStar Kent</s>
* <s>SingStar Miliki</s>
* <s>SingStar Morangos com Açúcar</s>
* <s>SingStar Operación Triunfo</s>
* <s>SingStar Pop 2009</s>
* <s>SingStar Pop Hits: 40 Principales</s>
* <s>SingStar Sjung med Disney</s>
* <s>SingStar Svenska Stjärnor</s>
== Typo in the Editing page's text. Where do we fix it? ==
In the Editing page for this wiki, there's an error in the first sentence. In the first instance where it should say CAPTCHA (Completely Automated Public Turing test to tell Computers and Humans Apart) it says "catcha". Check it out:
http://i.imgur.com/HkAfXpk.png
Where do we edit that text?
-[[User:Karasuhebi|Karasuhebi]] ([[User talk:Karasuhebi|talk]]) 00:21, 14 September 2015 (BST)
:My bad, thanks! Please check the whole text again just in case. I'm prone to errors and typos. --[[User:Ngng|Ngng]] ([[User talk:Ngng|talk]]) 06:09, 14 September 2015 (BST)
::Looks good now. Thanks man! -[[User:Karasuhebi|Karasuhebi]] ([[User talk:Karasuhebi|talk]]) 07:36, 14 September 2015 (BST)
== BT3 CPU-intensive? ==
What's with this edit? http://wiki.pcsx2.net/index.php?title=Dragon_Ball_Z:_Budokai_Tenkaichi_3&diff=37866&oldid=37623
I don't see BT3 on the list of known CPU-intensive games: http://forums.pcsx2.net/Thread-LIST-The-Most-CPU-Intensive-Games
Am I missing something? -[[User:Karasuhebi|Karasuhebi]] ([[User talk:Karasuhebi|talk]]) 20:03, 3 October 2015 (BST)
:I was using only pages comments when marking cpu-intesive games, you can remove marks if you know them to be incorrect. Thanks for the list! <s>I'll take a look at it when I'm done with redump.org.</s> (You can also mark the games from the list yourself if you want). --[[User:Ngng|Ngng]] ([[User talk:Ngng|talk]]) 20:16, 3 October 2015 (BST)
::Ohhh I see. That makes sense. I thought you were using that list from the forums. That's the one everyone knows. XD
::Have you been paying attention to which games you mark as intensive based on the page comments though? Maybe someone who says the game is intensive is using a Pentium 4 or something lol. -[[User:Karasuhebi|Karasuhebi]] ([[User talk:Karasuhebi|talk]]) 20:58, 3 October 2015 (BST)
:Yeah, anything is possible (not P4, though, I'd skip it right away): many comments aren't very descriptive. And I'm not a forum dweller, you know... :-\ --[[User:Ngng|Ngng]] ([[User talk:Ngng|talk]]) 21:14, 3 October 2015 (BST)
== All the AKAs ==
Why are you adding all of these Japanese AKAs and such for games? Are they important in any way? I can sort of understand adding the serials, but the names? -[[User:Karasuhebi|Karasuhebi]] ([[User talk:Karasuhebi|talk]]) 21:37, 8 October 2015 (BST)
:For the purpose of the wiki they aren't that important I agree, but for the bigger goal of having PS2 games database they are pretty important. And if you'd ever try to find some information on a rare game you'll find them most useful. --[[User:Ngng|Ngng]] ([[User talk:Ngng|talk]]) 06:38, 9 October 2015 (BST)
::Fair enough; that makes sense. But shouldn't that be in a separate wiki then? One dedicated to PS2 games instead of PCSX2? -[[User:Karasuhebi|Karasuhebi]] ([[User talk:Karasuhebi|talk]]) 07:17, 9 October 2015 (BST)
:Are they that annoying to you? :) I use them to link to other databases' titles with new serials. Besides without them someone who has PAL ''This is Football 2005'' may not find a proper page to update the test info (''World Tour Soccer 2006''). --[[User:Ngng|Ngng]] ([[User talk:Ngng|talk]]) 08:39, 9 October 2015 (BST)
::They're not annoying to me, I just don't see the point in them being on this wiki. As far as your example of someone with a certain version of a game with a different title not finding the proper page to update, that's what redirects are for. No need to clutter the wiki just for that. -[[User:Karasuhebi|Karasuhebi]] ([[User talk:Karasuhebi|talk]]) 20:59, 9 October 2015 (BST)
:Well, and what's the purpose of this wiki then? And who defines the purpose of this wiki? I don't see the point in arguing about such trivial matters. The AKAs are needed, without them it will not be possible to collect all the info from the web. --[[User:Ngng|Ngng]] ([[User talk:Ngng|talk]]) 21:07, 9 October 2015 (BST)
== 16:9 Button ==
Just something that bothered me about the current button. It's somewhat difficult to see the 16:9 on it. Looks a bit off.
I made a different version of it. (I can freely alter the color of the text if necessary).
Your input on it?
[http://lastfencer.net/New16-9.png Linkage] -- [[User:Ryudo|Ryudo]] ([[User talk:Ryudo|talk]]) 22:20, 1 November 2015 (UTC)
:I agree that original icon has rough looking digits at this resolution, but we need two icons of this kind, right (patched and not patched)? Try the second one with no wrench on it, you'll see that your digits look too small (my opinion). --[[User:Ngng|Ngng]] ([[User talk:Ngng|talk]]) 06:18, 2 November 2015 (UTC)
Oh right, forgot about the unpatched one. Here's two more.
[http://lastfencer.net/16-9Sup.png 16:9, no Patch] [http://lastfencer.net/16-9Patch.png 16:9, Patch] -- [[User:Ryudo|Ryudo]] ([[User talk:Ryudo|talk]]) 10:49, 2 November 2015 (UTC)
:These are much better in my opinion. As SHunter disappeared again (who knows for how long this time), go ahead and change the originals. --[[User:Ngng|Ngng]] ([[User talk:Ngng|talk]]) 11:41, 2 November 2015 (UTC)
::Gotcha. I uploaded them. (Made a minor change to increase the sharpness a bit on the fonts). [http://wiki.pcsx2.net/index.php/Valkyrie_Profile_2:_Silmeria Valkyrie Profile 2 page] Here you can see how it looks now on the actual page. Looks pretty good I'd say for now. -- [[User:Ryudo|Ryudo]] ([[User talk:Ryudo|talk]]) 14:28, 3 November 2015 (UTC)
== Things are becoming somewhat messy now... ==
Not sure if you're aware, but your bot or automated program is adding double descriptions to pages that already have proper game descriptions. (In some cases it's the exact same description). You should probably have it check if a description is already there, and just ignore those pages if there is one. -- [[User:Ryudo|Ryudo]] ([[User talk:Ryudo|talk]]) 16:32, 15 November 2015 (UTC)
: Yeah, I know. I'm checking every edit after the robot and correcting accordingly. The one you found was on it's way to be corrected :). Thanks for the heads up anyway. --[[User:Ngng|Ngng]] ([[User talk:Ngng|talk]]) 16:43, 15 November 2015 (UTC)
== Removing TOCs? ==
I just noticed this: http://wiki.pcsx2.net/index.php?title=Final_Fantasy_X&diff=44920&oldid=44919
Why are you removing TOCs? Those are useful; they help in navigating the pages so people can get to the section they're looking for faster. If you think they clutter the page, then at least do something like what PGW does where they hide the TOC unless you choose to show it:
http://pcgamingwiki.com/wiki/Glossary:Vertical_sync_(Vsync)
-[[User:Karasuhebi|Karasuhebi]] ([[User talk:Karasuhebi|talk]]) 08:03, 23 November 2015 (UTC)
:TOCs are useful only on pages with lots of text, otherwise they are just a clutter... When you can see at least 30% (and even 20%) of page space on your monitor there's no need in TOC. Game pages have enough information already to add some questionable features. Besides we couldn't add TOC to one game page without also adding it to all games pages because they should be uniform. --[[User:Ngng|Ngng]] ([[User talk:Ngng|talk]]) 10:11, 23 November 2015 (UTC)
::In the case of that FFX page though... they weren't cluttering. It was actually helpful on that one with the absurd amount of issues being listed. -- [[User:Ryudo|Ryudo]] ([[User talk:Ryudo|talk]]) 14:52, 23 November 2015 (UTC)
:Yeah, kind of agree, but I really didn't want to make this page special and different from all the others. Maybe later I'll make floating TOC using small font, so that it will not be so obstructive. There shouldn't be more than a couple of such pages though. --[[User:Ngng|Ngng]] ([[User talk:Ngng|talk]]) 15:51, 23 November 2015 (UTC)
::When will you get around to implementing a TOC to the pages? I just found another issue caused by not having them: It makes it harder for me to link to specific sections of the page when trying to help a user troubleshoot a problem. -[[User:Karasuhebi|Karasuhebi]] ([[User talk:Karasuhebi|talk]]) 03:19, 7 December 2015 (UTC)
:You can link to any H1, H2 or H3 sections with or without TOC by adding #Section_Name at the end of the page link (albeit it's more of a hassle without TOC I agree). Even when I make a small TOC it will not appear on every page automatically and should be added to those pages need it. If you want it so much, you can speed it up by finding a smaller closed-by-default TOC somewhere on the internet and add it yourself (I'll check it later). --[[User:Ngng|Ngng]] ([[User talk:Ngng|talk]]) 06:38, 7 December 2015 (UTC)
::Yes, I'm aware you can do that. That's why I said it makes it harder, not impossible. I'm not much of a wiki guy so I doubt I'll find something useful, I just wanted to make sure this was still in your to-do. -[[User:Karasuhebi|Karasuhebi]] ([[User talk:Karasuhebi|talk]]) 08:38, 7 December 2015 (UTC)
:I'll get to it after I'm done with ongoing updates. --[[User:Ngng|Ngng]] ([[User talk:Ngng|talk]]) 08:51, 7 December 2015 (UTC)
:Update: I didn't find any easy way to do it. It seems that Wikimedia devs have something against closed TOC. I for one never used TOC (except for some very long pages), it's much faster to find anything by browsing than reading the whole thing, but maybe it's just me. I postpone this for now, it needs time investment, and that I do not have these days. --[[User:Ngng|Ngng]] ([[User talk:Ngng|talk]]) 17:22, 6 January 2016 (UTC)
::Thanks for the update and definitely thanks for looking into this. There's definitely a way to do it though since PCGamingWiki uses the MediaWiki engine and they have collapsible TOCs. Maybe ask one of their admins? -[[User:Karasuhebi|Karasuhebi]] ([[User talk:Karasuhebi|talk]]) 23:03, 6 January 2016 (UTC)
:Could you provide me a page link, I'll look into it (though I suspect they use JS, it's the only way). --[[User:Ngng|Ngng]] ([[User talk:Ngng|talk]]) 20:05, 7 January 2016 (UTC)
:: I provided one up top, but here you go again: http://pcgamingwiki.com/wiki/Glossary:Vertical_sync_(Vsync) - Thanks for looking into this some more! -[[User:Karasuhebi|Karasuhebi]] ([[User talk:Karasuhebi|talk]]) 01:53, 8 January 2016 (UTC)
:Thanks. They use JS as I suspected. I'd prefer simply close the TOC after the page is loaded (over this strange floating thing). I'll make the template later next week. --[[User:Ngng|Ngng]] ([[User talk:Ngng|talk]]) 18:09, 10 January 2016 (UTC)
== PAL Serial remove reason ==
Because I wasn't aware you could put two entries. So I went with the more common one (The NTSC version). :P Now that I know how that line works I can just add onto it if one is already there. -- [[User:Ryudo|Ryudo]] ([[User talk:Ryudo|talk]]) 16:45, 29 December 2015 (UTC)
:Ah.., it's nothing, I just commented, I'm reading all commits anyway... Btw, current language info (taken from redump.org) should be pretty accurate (except for NA and JP releases, and I will try to automatically update those in time). --[[User:Ngng|Ngng]] ([[User talk:Ngng|talk]]) 17:45, 29 December 2015 (UTC)
== Splashdown: Rides Gone Wild edit ==
Why did you mark this issue as fixed? Was it actually fixed or are you just incorrectly marking it as so because you added the software rendering only icon?
http://wiki.pcsx2.net/index.php?title=Splashdown:_Rides_Gone_Wild&diff=37956&oldid=36210
-[[User:Karasuhebi|Karasuhebi]] ([[User talk:Karasuhebi|talk]]) 07:43, 24 January 2016 (UTC)
:I don't remember really, but it seems I did this according to [http://forums.pcsx2.net/Thread-Splashdown-Rides-Gone-Wild-SLUS-20686-U--29816 this post]. If software mode does not make the game playable just revert the change, please. --[[User:Ngng|Ngng]] ([[User talk:Ngng|talk]]) 09:09, 24 January 2016 (UTC)
::Thanks for clarifying. Software renderers apparently do make it playable but the issue is still there in hardware renderers. I went ahead and noted that the problem hasn't been fixed but that playing using a software renderer is a viable workaround. Thanks again! -[[User:Karasuhebi|Karasuhebi]] ([[User talk:Karasuhebi|talk]]) 17:11, 24 January 2016 (UTC)
== Missing AUS ratings ==
There are a huge amount of Australian games ratings missing. The imgur gallery located at http://imgur.com/gallery/4Cxkn/new shows many missing entries about the Australian Classification Board ratings on this wiki. [[User:DecafGrub47393|DecafGrub47393]] ([[User talk:DecafGrub47393|talk]]) 17:13, 3 March 2016 (UTC)
:Is this your collection?! In any case, this is crazy! :)
:Yes, I known about Australian ratings. I got all ratings (along with other info) from GameFAQs and unfortunately they do not have much info on Australian region. If you can find me some list with these ratings (or any site that mentions them in any form) I could try to update them automatically. Updating from these images is not a feasible idea (too much work). I have a todo list here and it's pretty big, but updating the ratings does not seem to be that time consuming (provided we have a source). --[[User:Ngng|Ngng]] ([[User talk:Ngng|talk]]) 17:31, 3 March 2016 (UTC)
:It's not my collection. [[User:DecafGrub47393|DecafGrub47393]] ([[User talk:DecafGrub47393|talk]]) 18:47, 21 April 2016 (BST)
::Okay. Anyway, I think I'll try to update AU ratings some time later using https://www.playstation.com/en-au/ but my script will need to literally ''search'' for each game to get to the results [https://www.playstation.com/en-au/games/god-of-war-ps2/ like this]. They don't make it easy anymore :-( --[[User:Ngng|Ngng]] ([[User talk:Ngng|talk]]) 19:03, 21 April 2016 (BST)
== Final Fantasy XII Hor+ / Vert- edit ==
Hey there. If you don't want the terms there that's fine, we can talk about it and figure something out. But at the very least I think we should include the fact that the built-in widescreen option is not only cutting off the top and bottom, it _does actually add more to the sides as well. Check it out:
http://imgur.com/a/RsP8Y
-[[User:Karasuhebi|Karasuhebi]] ([[User talk:Karasuhebi|talk]]) 23:29, 20 March 2016 (UTC)
:Okay, I thought in was included, I'll make sure it is, but I don't see any point in using these unfamiliar terms (other than to promote them) --[[User:Ngng|Ngng]] ([[User talk:Ngng|talk]]) 05:42, 21 March 2016 (UTC)
::It's not unfamiliar to everyone. Remember there's people who knows about this stuff reading the PCSX2 wiki too, and to them this could be useful information. This wiki is supposed to be for everyone. And to be honest, it's not 'jargon'. It's useful information even to people who don't have a lot of knowledge about the subject. -- [[User:Ryudo|Ryudo]] ([[User talk:Ryudo|talk]]) 14:41, 21 March 2016 (UTC)
:We're not taking a vote on this one (and it is a [http://www.dictionary.com/browse/jargon jargon]). If the text is ''perfectly'' understandable without it, tell me, why the fuss? --[[User:Ngng|Ngng]] ([[User talk:Ngng|talk]]) 15:22, 21 March 2016 (UTC)
== Ongoing replace/automation work ==
* <s>Set page playability statuses according to new test cases ([[:Category:Temp new test case]], [[:Category:Temp new test case too long]])</s>
* <s>Sort test entries (new test entries were inserted at the top of test tables). Such a work can possibly only be done by hands and it is pretty time consuming.</s>
* <s>Finish adding Japanese names (take 1)</s> / <s>clear Japanese names of html codes (&amp;reg; remains)</s>
* <s>Check for disabled and removed regions (should not be many left).</s>
* <s>Ask game FAQs permission to use their box arts. </s><s>(submitted by users, btw), try to use Wikipedia's box arts if not possible. No answer to my messages. :-\</s>
* <s>Update the following info: game descriptions from game FAQs with their permission. They gave me the permission to use game descriptions and box-arts on the basis that either comes from the publishers (although AFAIK uploaded by the users so I'll still credit the users involved). What can I say, mighty nice of them! </s><s>(Dolphin wiki has all the descriptions copied from game FAQs), or Wikipedia if not possible.</s>
* <s>Update the following info: genres, multiplayer status, developers/publishers, special controllers from game FAQs, www.jp.playstation.com</s>
** <s>Ongoing update: game FAQs: controllers, descriptions, ratings.</s>
** <s>Ongoing update: genres, multiplayer status, developers/publishers, Metacritics links from game FAQs</s>
* <s>Update widescreen=1 statuses, using pretty chaotic *.pnach database (hard), </s><s>decide if splitting widescreen=1&2 to widescreen & widescreenpatch is needed</s>
* <s>Use [http://www.gamefaqs.com/ps2/list-999 Game faqs] to create still missing titles, serials, release dates, AKAs. I'd even get boxarts from them but I'd need their permission for that. So no luck here I guess.</s>
** <s>Clear all existing serials from nonuniform, duplicate and bad entries</s>
** <s>Use http://www.sonyindex.com to include additional serials (game FAQs does not have all of them). This will take a while. I've got (as of today) 52 misspelled or cancelled titles I have to search the internet for. Every title takes up to 10 min. :-\ The site has many demo discs which I guess I will also copy here.</s>
*** <s>That earned 1653 new serials. Not bad. Most of them are same title demos (meaning, no additional work, unlike the demo collections). I need to update articles with new serials. p.s. It looks it was a wrong impression, as wrong as at least 65 serials in SonyIndex database (I cross-checked them). How can I trust the other ~5500 serials now?.. :-\</s>
** <s>Use http://redump.org/discs/system/ps2/ (Also getting languages and AKAs there. Pretty neat and accurate site.). Got around 900 new serials, found only 2 or 3 errors so far.</s>
** <s>All AKAs with serials -> Original names, all AKAs without -> Also known as. It's getting messy otherwise.</s>
** <s>Add all the new demo discs from sonyindex.com and redump.org. Every demo page requires a good amount of work. :-\. Almost done.</s>
** <s>redump.org: add collected languages to the wiki articles Japanese/</s><s>English marks for the majority of the articles are still needed.</s>
** Use http://www.play-asia.com/games/classics/sony/playstation2/games/14/71fd#fc=o:1
** Other places to check: http://mirage.just-size.net/slps/slps.html (mysterious place), http://playstationcollecting.com/index.cfm?FuseAction=Search.PS2 , http://www.gony.pe.kr/wiki/gony/moin.cgi/PS2_20_c1_a4_bd_c4_b9_df_b8_c5_20_b8_ae_bd_ba_c6_ae (small Korean DB), http://www.gameplanet.co.kr/xe/2337317 (small Korean DB), http://www.arcade-history.com/index.php?page=database&listtypes=44&lemot=&annee=0&editeur=&keyword1=0&gallery=&Tri=0&position=1 , http://www.suruga-ya.jp/search?category=20002&search_word=&cookie=true&inStock=On (unsure), http://homepage2.nifty.com/gamedatabase/software/DB_SNC2_PS2_top.html (unsure), http://www.mobygames.com/browse/games/ps2/list-games/ (unsure, data differs from game FAQs), http://gamee.cc/doc/ps3_ps2id.php (easy), http://oplmanager.no-ip.info/site/index.php?gamelist (unsure).
** Use http://ns348841.ip-91-121-109.eu/psxdata/psx2/ntsc-j_list2.html to include additional serials (game FAQs does not have all of them), found 244 dupes in all site's serials. :-\ Should I bother cleaning this at all?! (148 left, I postponed parsing this until all the other sites are parsed and loaded, too many errors).
* Many descriptions (~2300) are still missing, should be updated from Wikipedia in the future.
* <s>Build a list of articles without verified descriptions (either with no description at all or with description added by someone else, which should be verified). Many of such unverified descriptions contain only useless basic info from Wikipedia.</s> Update articles from the list.
* <s>Renew Japanese original names for the titles lacking them, remove all dupe original names with prefixes and postfixes like "PlayStation®2 the Best", "コナミ・ザ・ベスト", etc. -- they are just useless...</s>
* Update Australian game ratings (at least give it a good try), only available [https://www.playstation.com/en-au/ here].
* Automatically set Wikipedia links (where possible)
* Build a list of articles <s>without images or</s> with bad quality images (low-res, small size)
* <s>Update PS3 serials (NPJD/NPUD etc.) from GameFAQs and release dates for games missing them</s>
* Game properties
** Update perfectly-emulated=1 and scales-properly=1 statuses (ask forum users)
** Online/LAN games: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_PlayStation_2_online_games
** Other properties? (will need icons from SHunter)
== Demo discs missing The Netherlands ==
Not sure if it's possible for the bot to still add this or if we have to do it manually instead, but Official Playstation Magazine was released in The Netherlands as well, along with the demo discs. I noticed the country is missing from the released versions list. -- [[User:Ryudo|Ryudo]] ([[User talk:Ryudo|talk]]) 12:14, 7 May 2016 (BST)
:I think you meant OPS2M. Information on OPS2M demos is far from complete. If you know a source where I can find more I can look into it (hardly a work for the bot though). --[[User:Ngng|Ngng]] ([[User talk:Ngng|talk]]) 16:47, 7 May 2016 (BST)
::Unfortunately I don't have a whole lot of information available. All I can give you is the info from the magazines I actually have. (I used to be a member of the magazine for a while). I should still have a bunch of the discs around here, that should at least give access to covers, CRCs, etc. Here are some photos of one of them.
::[http://i.imgur.com/Om9fAgd.jpg Image #1]
::[http://i.imgur.com/8XvkO0i.jpg Image #2]
::[http://i.imgur.com/pHF8G4u.jpg Image #3]
::[[User:Ryudo|Ryudo]] ([[User talk:Ryudo|talk]]) 18:42, 7 May 2016 (BST)
:Well then, physical discs are the most trustworthy source (unlike the Internet which is prone to drag the same errors through various places). You can add it yourself of course, the only trick with OPS2M here (OPM2 in your case, the name varied) is that I tried to combine similar issues in one page. For instance, [[Official PlayStation 2 Magazine Demo 24|this article]] has two different discs (issued in different time) but content-wise they are pretty similar. I thought for a while about splitting these discs into separate articles but decided against it in the end (it's easier to compare and see "bigger picture" this way). --[[User:Ngng|Ngng]] ([[User talk:Ngng|talk]]) 20:18, 7 May 2016 (BST)
== Thanks I will try to improve my edits in the future ==
I noticed a couple of changes you've made to my recent edits that improve them. I'm still relatively new to wiki editing so this is helpful to me. I will try to keep track of whatever changes are made and incorporate them myself in future edits to make things easier. Thank you for your time.
(Also I'm pretty sure this may not be the place to post messages like this, but I wasn't sure where else to put them. Sorry about that.)
--[[User:Flang|Flang]] ([[User talk:Flang|talk]]) 09:28, 22 July 2016 (CST)
:Oh, Hi! And welcome (& this is the very place to post messages to me). Thanks a lot for your contributions!
:One note: [[Complete List of Games‎]] is a generated page so there's no need to edit it (all your edits will be lost the next time I'll update it) --[[User:Ngng|Ngng]] ([[User talk:Ngng|talk]]) 15:58, 22 July 2016 (BST)
:Thanks that is good to know, because it seemed a little intimidating trying to update that list correctly. --[[User:Flang|Flang]] ([[User talk:Flang|talk]]) 10:21, 22 July 2016 (CST)
== VP2 WS patch ==
Please check your facts before reverting edits. The VP2 WS patch was removed from the archive in this commit [https://github.com/PCSX2/pcsx2/commit/8e8b8f8ed537947da83725d01ca0617a6ee7bb0f]. It should never have made it in there, because it triggers the games cheating protection and at the very least reproducibly freezes the game in various places, in addition to possibly flagging the save and causing more subtle long-term issues (drop rates and such).
I stated as much in the changelog.
What's the issue here? That the patch is still in the last stable release archive? Even if so, it's buggy and shouldn't be advertised. The game includes a native 16:9 progressive option that should be used instead. [[User:Eloris|Eloris]] ([[User talk:Eloris|talk]]) 18:54, 11 August 2016 (BST)
:Hey, hey! Mind your brain cells please. Simple explanation would've been sufficient. --[[User:Ngng|Ngng]] ([[User talk:Ngng|talk]]) 21:09, 11 August 2016 (BST)
::Just for the record, there was no need to remove nemesis' name. Not sure what you're afraid of, but he's a respected member of the PCSX2 community who has created a majority of the widescreen patches. So I have no idea why you were so against mentioning his name. And it was actually useful information for people that want to know of any progress on future patch files. -- [[User:Ryudo|Ryudo]] ([[User talk:Ryudo|talk]]) 23:39, 11 August 2016 (BST)
:It just wasn't the right place to mention the name, that's all. It'd require an additional explanation and it wasn't the place for that, too. --[[User:Ngng|Ngng]] ([[User talk:Ngng|talk]]) 06:47, 12 August 2016 (BST)
== Kinda lonely around here + question on pictures ==
Looking through the recent changes, it seems you're pretty much one of the only consistently active users on here, if not THE only. I hope that changes, it's certainly not as if PCSX2 is some dead project or the forums are empty. I'll do my best to contribute info on the games I personally own and possibly some others.
On another note, would scans like http://i.imgur.com/0goUutP.jpg be appropriate for infoboxes on game pages, or stick to just front covers? I have one or two currently but I could certainly do more with my collection to provide better boxart/sleeve images. [[User:Jonbuddy1|Jonbuddy1]] ([[User talk:Jonbuddy1|talk]]) 20:01, 16 August 2016 (BST)
:Well I guess it's a quiet place because the forums are more accessible (and much more social). It has it's ups and downs, but overall I'm the only one tending to it on a permanent basis (not that I mind doing it, I like the monotonous work that distracts me from my real work :)).
:Many boxart images are of a low quality so feel free to update them. Game page images are currently designed to contain only front covers (they may look too small otherwise, you can try it yourself). Edit or add something, any contribution is appreciated! --[[User:Ngng|Ngng]] ([[User talk:Ngng|talk]]) 20:30, 16 August 2016 (BST)
:Sorry for busting in, ng check your forum PM :P *Flies away*
:Same :P
== NPUD really necessary? ==
I noticed you mentioning having to rescan GameFAQs for these serials, but PS2 Classics is a PS3/PS4 thing, so is that really necessary at all to have on a PCSX2 Wiki? You're probably better off not wasting your time on those serials. -- [[User:Ryudo|Ryudo]] ([[User talk:Ryudo|talk]]) 17:55, 25 December 2016 (UTC)
:I believe they are Sony online store serials (never had the PS3 so I don't know the name) for encrypted PS2 ISOs you can purchase and download on your PS3. They have the same utility as, for instance, Konami serials like VW021-J1. They can be used as search phrases on the internet among other possible uses. Besides, I've already updated them. --[[User:Ngng|Ngng]] ([[User talk:Ngng|talk]]) 18:28, 25 December 2016 (UTC)
== Adding 60 FPS codes to the pages ==
Asasega over at the PCSX2 forums is creating 60 FPS codes for certain games. What are your opinions on adding those to the pages of their respective games? -[[User:Vibhor|Vibhor]] ([[User talk:Vibhor|talk]]) 16:43, 12 February 2017 (UTC)
:Why, only positive -- the more information the merrier (are you proposing to add another icon?). But I'm totally ignorant on the subject, is he turning 50 Hz PAL game into 60 Hz NTSC? What's the novelty in having 60 Hz games? --[[User:Ngng|Ngng]] ([[User talk:Ngng|talk]]) 16:57, 12 February 2017 (UTC)
:: I suggest not adding these hacks to the wiki. The widescreen hacks are added to PCSX2 builds in an archive. These 60 FPS hacks are unreliable, hardly tested hacks that often mess with or break parts of a game and are not included with or endorsed by the PCSX2 team.
:::The majority of these new 60 FPS hacks are very much unfinished and only serve in 'speeding' up the game. They still have to be fixed to a point where it doesn't make the game run at 200% speed, which is unfortunately still the case for most of these. -- [[User:Ryudo|Ryudo]] ([[User talk:Ryudo|talk]]) 00:35, 13 February 2017 (UTC)
== Ski Alpin 2005 ==
This is definitely the same game as Alpine Skiing 2005. Some examples:
Backcover of Alpine Skiing 2005:
http://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/SHgAAOSw0w9YVp2M/s-l1600.jpg
Backcover of PC version of Ski Alpin 2005, featuring the same text and images, and of course the same developer, and the frontcover of PC version of Ski Alpin 2005 is also the same as Alpine Skiing 2005.
http://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/KMsAAOSwv0tVR1q8/s-l1600.jpg
Same image is also on the Ski Alpin 2005 and Alpine Skiing 2005 disc covers:
http://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/KyMAAOSwr7ZW5rF3/s-l1600.jpg
http://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/WLIAAOSwiONYNAtA/s-l1600.jpg
:Yeah, I suspected it as much, I'll remove the duplicate, thanks! --[[User:Ngng|Ngng]] ([[User talk:Ngng|talk]]) 18:26, 29 March 2017 (BST)
== PMed you ==
It's me again, check your forum PM kthx :P
== PS2 List Possible Missings ==
Hi Ngng! I love the list you put together of PS2 games and I've been referencing it for redump.org's (still incomplete) miss lists.[http://wiki.redump.org/index.php?title=Discs_not_yet_dumped#Sony_Playstation_2]
I’m sure you’re aware of SonyIndex.com from back in the day. Their PS2 Asia list had a bunch of untranslated titles accompanied by serial numbers. I used the list on the PCSX2 wiki to fill in a lot of these names, however there were some serial numbers missing from this wiki. While some of these serial numbers may be incorrect, I they probably all aren't. Here is the list in case it is useful to your efforts.
SCPS-19212 zzz_unknown_japanese_title NTSC-J
SCPS-55034 zzz_unknown_asian_title NTSC-J
SLAJ-25054 zzz_unknown_asian_title NTSC-Unk
SLAJ-35002 zzz_unknown_asian_title NTSC-Unk
SLPM-62259 zzz_unknown_japanese_title NTSC-J
SLPM-62452 zzz_unknown_japanese_title NTSC-J
SLPM-65147 zzz_unknown_japanese_title NTSC-J
SLPM-65188 zzz_unknown_japanese_title NTSC-J
SLPM-65251 zzz_unknown_japanese_title NTSC-J
SLPM-65293 zzz_unknown_japanese_title NTSC-J
SLPM-65351 zzz_unknown_japanese_title NTSC-J
SLPM-65814 zzz_unknown_japanese_title NTSC-J
SLPM-65983 zzz_unknown_japanese_title NTSC-J
SLPM-65993 zzz_unknown_japanese_title NTSC-J
SLPM-66048 zzz_unknown_japanese_title NTSC-J
SLPM-66154 zzz_unknown_japanese_title NTSC-J
SLPM-66256 zzz_unknown_japanese_title NTSC-J
SLPS-20014 zzz_unknown_japanese_title NTSC-J
SLPS-20049 zzz_unknown_japanese_title NTSC-J
SCAJ-25040 zzz_untranslated_asian_title NTSC-Unk
SCPS-19314 zzz_untranslated_japanese_title NTSC-J
SLPM-62024 zzz_untranslated_japanese_title NTSC-J
SLPM-62089 zzz_untranslated_japanese_title NTSC-J
SLPM-62090 zzz_untranslated_japanese_title NTSC-J
SLPM-62111 zzz_untranslated_japanese_title NTSC-J
SLPM-62152 zzz_untranslated_japanese_title NTSC-J
SLPM-62173 zzz_untranslated_japanese_title NTSC-J
End of list
:Oh, hi! Welcome! Thanks for using the list! I've got a number of sites and places to check so it's definitely not finished (unlikely to ever be), I'm just taking my sweet time to enjoy the summer so I don't spend much time here. I have a copy of all SonyIndex serials and I'm aware that there are still many unknowns. I hope I'll get to it sooner or later (if ever, life's so unpredictable). Thanks again, though. --[[User:Ngng|Ngng]] ([[User talk:Ngng|talk]]) 21:28, 3 August 2017 (BST)
:Actually checked your table against ''complete games list'' and there are two or three cases that are already on my list (either your source was old or some small errors crawled into the parsing code). Other than that the above table already proved useful (I've effortlessly found 4 serials on www.jp.playstation.com). So thanks yet again.
:Oh, and by the way. If I remember correctly I found a number of errors in SonyIndex and the list itself was pretty incomplete (try to exclude all the SonyIndex's serials  from ''complete games list'' here you'll definitely get some new ones). --[[User:Ngng|Ngng]] ([[User talk:Ngng|talk]]) 18:40, 6 August 2017 (BST)
::Cool, glad to hear it was useful :). I'll continue using your list as a reference for redump.org's miss list in the never ending goal of preservation. Thanks for your awesome work and I'll be sure to cross check our list again to update with the new data you found for these serials. --[[User:Dizzzy|Dizzzy]] ([[User talk:Dizzzy|talk]]) 18:57, 9 August 2017 (BST)
== Question regarding demo missing from games list. ==
Hey Ngng, I recently came across info about a demo - 989 Sports Demo (not the 2004 one SCUS 97373). Here are pics[http://imgur.com/a/74ozQ]. At first glance it looks like a PS1 demo disc however I know this is not the case, at the bottom of the front it also says "only for PS2". I'm thinking it might be SCUS-94677, 989 Sports 2003 Demo Disc (which sonyindex incorrectly listed as a PS1 game). Any more info? I saw it pop up on ebay a couple weeks back and am kicking myself for not buying it. --[[User:Dizzzy|Dizzzy]] ([[User talk:Dizzzy|talk]]) 16:31, 20 August 2017 (BST)
:Hi! It could still be 2004 Demo Disc (but, yeah, it's doubtful). If it's some 2003 demo it should (but may not) have serial number in range of 97200..97300 (see 97253, 97325, 97226, 97315, 97223, 97317, etc.), I've never seen 946XX serials for the PS2 (but who knows...). The sleeve says it contains only "exciting ''videos'' of these sport titles", so it's still could have only videos on it. But if you collect demos, I'm sorry you've missed it, it looks like it's in mint condition. --[[User:Ngng|Ngng]] ([[User talk:Ngng|talk]]) 08:16, 21 August 2017 (BST)
::Meh, I don't really collect discs, I buy, redump / share then resell. It will probably turn up again eventually. By the way, the master list is missing: SLUS-29200 Konami Kids Playground. --[[User:Dizzzy|Dizzzy]] ([[User talk:Dizzzy|talk]]) 20:31, 21 August 2017 (BST)
:Which one? There are four Konami Kids Playground titles and each of them already has a serial. I remember seeing this 29200 when I was working on SonyIndex database (or somewhere else) but skipped it back then. I can probably return to it later, though. --[[User:Ngng|Ngng]] ([[User talk:Ngng|talk]]) 08:05, 22 August 2017 (BST)
:: It's a demo [http://www.ebay.com/itm/PLAYSTATION-2-PS2-KONAMI-KIDS-PLAYGROUND-DEMO-DISC-FAST-FREE-SHIPPING-WORKS-/291488889046?hash=item43de1778d6:g:dH0AAOSweW5VUOUa]. --[[User:Dizzzy|Dizzzy]] ([[User talk:Dizzzy|talk]]) 17:19, 23 August 2017 (BST)
:Oh, cool, thank you! I'll add this when I get home from vacation. --[[User:Ngng|Ngng]] ([[User talk:Ngng|talk]]) 07:45, 24 August 2017 (BST)
== More Missings ==
Hope these help!
* SLUS-28065 Odin's Sphere (trade demo) [DVD][https://imgur.com/a/OaUfT]
* SLUS-28069  Shin Megami Tensei: Persona 4 (trade demo) http://www.ebay.com/itm/Atlus-Shin-Megami-Tensei-Persona-4-Playstation-2-Trade-Demo-Rare-/263203380651?hash=item3d4824ddab:g:QLAAAOSwcndZuFJj
I also found evidence of a Persona 3 trade demo, but then found they made a PSP persona 3 trade demo and figured that might have been it (didn't have a serial number for it! --[[User:Dizzzy|Dizzzy]] ([[User talk:Dizzzy|talk]]) 23:08, 14 September 2017 (BST)
:Wonderful! Thank you! --[[User:Ngng|Ngng]] ([[User talk:Ngng|talk]]) 06:49, 15 September 2017 (BST)
== GameFaqs link infobox broken? ==
Hey ng, I was just modifying some pages and noticed GameFaqs links are no longer showing up. Did something get broken in the Infobox template with this? -- [[User:Ryudo|Ryudo]] ([[User talk:Ryudo|talk]]) 11:09, 23 September 2017 (BST)
:Hey! They were always sitting there in the code "just in case". I had neither intention nor reason to show those links (otherwise someone would definitely remark about wiki affiliation with gamefaqs (which, if true, wouldn't be that bad)). --[[User:Ngng|Ngng]] ([[User talk:Ngng|talk]]) 15:52, 23 September 2017 (BST)
== Note for You ==
Just a heads up, the reaosn you're seeing a bit more activity than normal is because I put a shout out on Reddit yesterday to try and get untested games filled in :)
:Good thinking, thank you! I don't think this will last too long, though. :-\ I really need to shake off my own laziness one of these days and do something constructive for the wiki too... --[[User:Ngng|Ngng]] ([[User talk:Ngng|talk]]) 15:29, 17 November 2017 (GMT)
Is there any way you specifically can edit the left column? It would be nice to add a tab for "Untested games" - currently it's buried in the Browse section, so not many people know about it.
:By "Untested games" you mean [[:Category:Games without test cases|this category]]? The category is ''almost'' correct (it consists of articles with at least one empty test entry, so [[Ikki Tousen: Shining Dragon|this one]] will also qualify)).
:Yep, the right panel is editable. I'll add the category there, if you think it'll help (and you can also edit it yourself, it's not protected). --[[User:Ngng|Ngng]] ([[User talk:Ngng|talk]]) 21:28, 17 November 2017 (GMT)
Never mind, I saw your post above.
:I guess this can be improved, but as it stands it shouldn't be a big problem. I'll think about it... --[[User:Ngng|Ngng]] ([[User talk:Ngng|talk]]) 22:58, 19 November 2017 (GMT)
I know this is another big sort of request, but a way to identify games without compatibility threads linked in them would help us alot as well. I'm sure you could just detect whether or not the string is there no?
:Initially I linked all compatibility thread posts to the corresponding wiki articles and every article back to a forum thread. Now I periodically update wiki articles with new posts' links. It's not a problem at all considering that the forum posts are sorted by date and I know the date of the last post I've checked. But "periodically" in my case means sporadically.
:In other words, it's not an issue you want to spend any time on. It's under my slow and lazy control. --[[User:Ngng|Ngng]] ([[User talk:Ngng|talk]]) 20:43, 20 November 2017 (GMT)
:And btw, I've checked now and save for your two new posts there were no updates since my last watch. --[[User:Ngng|Ngng]] ([[User talk:Ngng|talk]]) 20:57, 20 November 2017 (GMT)
== new disc not on list ==
* SCED-52391[https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Welcome-Pack-Bonus-Demo-6-PlayStation-2-PS2-/352218397084]
* SCED-53018 Bonus Demo 8 (Geu) [Germany?]
S?ED-????? Area 51[https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/PlayStation-2-ps2-area-51-demo-promo-disc-is-excellent-UK-pal-/272901179775]
'''SLED-54315''' Lego Star Wars II The Original Trilogy[https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Lego-Star-Wars-II-The-Original-Trilogy-PlayStation-PS2-Demo-Disc-/222679232092]
--[[User:Dizzzy|Dizzzy]] ([[User talk:Dizzzy|talk]]) 05:50, 3 December 2017 (GMT)
:Thanks, man! Your attention is really appreciated! --[[User:Ngng|Ngng]] ([[User talk:Ngng|talk]]) 09:14, 3 December 2017 (GMT)
:I've brute-forced Lego Star Wars II serial, but was unable to do that with Area 51's one. I'll try to search for it later again, or maybe a better shot will pop up somewhere. --[[User:Ngng|Ngng]] ([[User talk:Ngng|talk]]) 10:27, 3 December 2017 (GMT)
:: you're welcome. a rare PS2 USA demo collector has joined redump recently, he sent me a list he has compiled. I added a handful of discs to our miss list. At least a few of these discs are missing from your list. See changes I made to the redump wiki list today here[http://wiki.redump.org/index.php?title=Sony_Playstation_2_US_Missing_Dumps&action=historysubmit&diff=16285&oldid=16122] --[[User:Dizzzy|Dizzzy]] ([[User talk:Dizzzy|talk]]) 20:12, 4 December 2017 (GMT)
:I will definitely check the new serials, thanks again! --[[User:Ngng|Ngng]] ([[User talk:Ngng|talk]]) 06:04, 5 December 2017 (GMT)
:PAL demos look like an untapped gold mine. Whenever I search for a serial at least 2-3 more new demos pop up. --[[User:Ngng|Ngng]] ([[User talk:Ngng|talk]]) 11:14, 5 December 2017 (GMT)
== running ngbot again ==
Hey, it seems the ngbot hasn't been logged in since May 23, 2017 according to the fourms. The compatibility list is quite outdated and alot of the dates are reported as not being updated since March 1st, 2015 - it seems like a full scrape should be in order.
I wasn't sure if there was anything that had to be done on your side to get that going again. Thanks ;)
Also remind me again, how does the data flow for the compatibility list work? I can't remember if entries from the forums automatically get added to the wiki or not/the other way around. Also, is the compatibility list sourced from the forums or the wiki? It's not exactly clear to me :P
:Hey! Happy holidays!
:I'll try to answer by explaining what ngbot is. ngbot is just my second account with different set of rights (say, a bit more rights for some forums threads). I used this account to fill '''every''' compatibility forum thread (and I mean, every one of them) only '''once''' (it was the spring of 2015, 2.5 years ago). And yes, it was done by the script run from my machine, but the script required A LOT of prior work (because forum threads named differently than the wiki pages, so I had to build a link table between the two, which was a cumbersome task).
:After that time I had '''never''' run that script again (and hopefully never will). The wiki links for all the new forum threads (created after ngbot did it's job) are filled without using any script -- either by the person who created the thread or by me sporadically logging in into ngbot account (only if the link is absent).
:On the wiki side the same work of initial linking was done by me (around the same time) by using the second script. After the initial run I've never used the second script either. All the subsequent new links I've added manually (fortunately there weren't so many at all).
:Let's make it clear that we are talking only about [https://forums.pcsx2.net/Forum-Public-compatibility-list this forum] and the thread inside it. We're not talking about the contents of [https://forums.pcsx2.net/Thread-Request-thread-for-new-game-in-compatibility-list this thread] at all.
:Question: Why ain't I updating forum links on the wiki pages? Answer: I'm on it, but I'm slow so bear with me (you can do it yourself if you want, though). The last time I've checked the compatibility forum for the new threads was in November 20, 2017 (I know the exact date because it is written in a special text file). When the next time I'll visit this forum I will open each thread that was created (or modified) '''after''' 11/20/2017 and make changes accordingly (if the thread misses a wiki link, I'll add a correct wiki link, if a corresponding wiki page misses a forum link, I'll add a forum link to that wiki page; and sometimes I add new forum test case itself to the wiki as well).
:As to the subject of [https://pcsx2.net/compatibility-list.html this table], it has nothing to do with me at all. As far as I know it's filled by the simple (?) script run on the server side (periodically?). The script indeed creates table from the data of public compatibility forum threads ('''not''' the wiki). If the data on the PCSX2 main page is stale you better write Bositman, because only he can help you.
:One more thing just in case: I've never created forum threads automatically either from wiki pages or from [https://forums.pcsx2.net/Thread-Request-thread-for-new-game-in-compatibility-list @Request thread for new game in compatibility list] thread. The pages are always created manually by the different forum users when they fill like doing it.
:I hope this small wall of text cleared all the stuff you wanted to know. Also, could you please add your signature after you ask something on the wiki (for posterity and readability)? To add signature just use <nowiki>--~~~~</nowiki> at the end of the sentence. Thanks! --[[User:Ngng|Ngng]] ([[User talk:Ngng|talk]]) 21:50, 4 January 2018 (GMT)
== Discs with the same CRC ==
Cheats & WS pnachs and GSdx-HW hacks key on CRCs. If discs have the same CRC, it might cause problems.
Info about this might be confusing to those who haven't (what so ever) dealt with pnachs or hacks, but I doubt that anyone finds it discouraging.
:Uh, hello!
:The same CRC for a different disc means the same binary (executable) which should mean the cheats will work for both discs (I've never seen this CRC code though, only my speculations). If it works as expected why bother mentioning it then? I'm not trying to dissuade you if you're serious about parsing CRCs for every game in the catalogue, but leaving such information of questionable use on only 3 pages is kind of breaking the consistency of said catalogue. Again you can go ahead if you want but there are at least 12K serials to go! It's an astronomical amount! --[[User:Ngng|Ngng]] ([[User talk:Ngng|talk]]) 06:04, 27 February 2018 (GMT)
If the discs have the same CRC then it doesn't necessarily mean that they are binary identical, at least not judging from the GSdx-HW hack list in "GSCrc.cpp" which claims that a disc version of "Spyro New Beginning", a disc version of "ICO", and a disc version of "Twisted Metal - Black" have the same CRC, and that a disc version of "Devil May Cry 3" and a disc version of "God Of War" have the same CRC. But OK, this might be better placed in "GameIndex.dbf".
== PAL Games Playable in NTSC mode ==
Yeah, that's precisely what I meant. I don't know what sort of icon you could use for that. But I think in general people would rather play in NTSC mode on PCSX2 since it's usually easier to scale up the resolution than the frame rate. [[User:EddieHimself|EddieHimself]] ([[User talk:EddieHimself|talk]]) 23:48, 26 February 2019 (GMT)
:Oh, hi! If you're dedicated to fill such an information for as many games as you can (because no one else here has this information, certainly not me), please go ahead! You can come up with a picture or an idea at least for me to create a picture (or may be I myself will think of something). When an icon is created I'll add it to the template right away. --[[User:Ngng|Ngng]] ([[User talk:Ngng|talk]]) 05:46, 27 February 2019 (GMT)
== Sorry about the punctuation for the crawler bot! ==
Sorry about that Ngng. I'll make sure to catch that before I make any other edits! Thank you for your assistance and guidance so far!
- OneBigSpud
:Oh, hi! Don't worry about that! Your contributions are really great! I always wanted to fill in missing descriptions but never had the time. :-\ Thanks a lot! --[[User:Ngng|Ngng]] ([[User talk:Ngng|talk]]) 21:22, 15 April 2019 (BST)
== Wiki backups ==
Are regular backups of the wiki made? It would be a shame to lose all this information if something went wrong. There seem to be some information about backing up MediaWIki [https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Backing_up_a_wiki here]. It would also be good to verify that any backups made can actually be restored properly :P. --[[User:Ratchet66|Ratchet66]] ([[User talk:Ratchet66|talk]]) 23:09, 17 August 2019 (BST)
:Hello there! I do make backups occasionally, but I don't have any access to the wiki server, so my backup program uses the standard backup features [https://wiki.pcsx2.net/Special:Export for pages] and [https://wiki.pcsx2.net/Special:ListFiles images]. The real burden of backing up is on the wiki hosting service (and I could understand your possible skepticism, but I'm just a contributor like any). I can guarantee you though that I can restore my backup any time; after all this wiki was created on a totally different server and then transferred here by the means of such a backup. So rest assured that if the worst comes to the worst, most of the info will be safe and sound. Better yet, you can make your own backup, all you need is a program or a script of some sort for this. --[[User:Ngng|Ngng]] ([[User talk:Ngng|talk]]) 08:38, 18 August 2019 (BST)
::That's great to hear! I might make my own backup as well, it can't hurt. --[[User:Ratchet66|Ratchet66]] ([[User talk:Ratchet66|talk]])
:I gotta warn you though. My program just finished download and it's huge. ~7K images/~13K pages with total size of ~2.2Gb, which took 1.5h to download, and one particular page refused to be exported with full history (unsurprisingly it's [[Complete List of Games]]), so I was oblige to code an exception in the process and export only the last revision of it. --[[User:Ngng|Ngng]] ([[User talk:Ngng|talk]]) 14:38, 18 August 2019 (BST)
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