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::The formula I herein use is "full name of a genre" -> [[:Category:Abbreviation]] '''--[[User:Pcsx2fan|Pcsx2fan]] 15:28, 19 February 2011 (UTC)''' | ::The formula I herein use is "full name of a genre" -> [[:Category:Abbreviation]] '''--[[User:Pcsx2fan|Pcsx2fan]] 15:28, 19 February 2011 (UTC)''' | ||
:There is a flaw in this approach. These names will need to be remembered by the contributors on the contrary to my first intention to free the editors from this additional burden and let them write as they please. Besides the old approach is working alright, so why changing it (it would also require to reparse all already filled articles)? I'll try to do something tomorrow (now it's a bit late for it), you'll see it'll feel okay. BTW, shmup is hmmm... not so good abbreviation in my opinion; it's kinda silly and funny. --[[User:Ngng|Ngng]] 19:25, 19 February 2011 (UTC) | |||
::Wait, I didn't mean to change all the names of genres here to follow Wikipedia, only for the 4 aforementioned categories above. | |||
::Editiors don't have to remember '''any''' names(longname or short name) of genres, just copy them from the list of game genres at left side panel(click the center of the square as list item marker will select all text of a genre name and copy it). | |||
::I was presuming you would like to use abbreviation for genre names that displaying at the bottom of each game articles, but IMO I prefer fullname for genre names the way Wikipedia uses since showing fullname is more clear than abbreviation. So: | |||
:::"Real-time strategy" -> [[:Category:Real-time strategy]] | |||
:::"Turn-based strategy" -> [[:Category:Turn-based strategy]] | |||
:::"First-person shooter" -> [[:Category:First-person shooter]] | |||
:::"Shoot 'em up" -> [[:Category:Shoot 'em up]] | |||
::The word shmup is not for fun, it is recorded in the corresponding Wikipedia article for Shoot 'em up. | |||
::http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/shmup '''--[[User:Pcsx2fan|Pcsx2fan]] 09:45, 20 February 2011 (UTC)''' | |||
:Ok, it's your turn to estimate is this all ok now. Your 4 categories should be working fine and shmup is still a funny name (honestly, I'm not trying to offend you). To change RPG category into "Role-playing games" category one has to update (by editing and saving) each acticle from this category, so it's just not practical to do it. Lets say, it maybe is more 'correct' to have fully named categories but it's not a crucial thing. | |||
:On a side note I've always been interested in how deep is the difference between written traditional Chinese and Japanese. I gather you understand Japanese without any additional study apart maybe from some words of phrases. Is that so? (Sorry for this unexpected question, but I've got noone else to ask. It's exciting that two languages can be so different in nature yet have the common script.) --[[User:Ngng|Ngng]] 16:09, 20 February 2011 (UTC) | |||
::What I concern is the genre name displayed at the bottom of each game article and at left side panel, not the Genre field for which editor enter genre name when creating or editing an game article. | |||
::Yes it's not crucial whether genre name is in abbreviation or fullname. But abbreviation in use should be common among games so that a game's type can be recognized at first glance. | |||
::e.g. | |||
::I think RPG, FPS and RTS are '''common''' abbreviation, people can recognize the type of a game immediately when glance at those abbreviations at the bottom of each game article. | |||
::I think TBS and shmup are '''uncommon''' abbreviation, people can't recognize them at first glance. | |||
::'''common''' abbreviation should leave them alone still in abbreviation. | |||
::'''uncommon''' abbreviation should transform into fullname. | |||
::However which abbreviation is '''common''' or '''uncommon''' might be need more confirmation from native English speakers. | |||
::The current name '''Shoot'em up''' should be '''Shoot 'em up''', there is a space between '''Shoot''' and <b>'em</b> | |||
:::as to Traditional Chinese and Japanese, the two languages are sharing a huge amount of Traditional Chinese Characters, but the meaning of same character or word consists of same characters may or may not be different from each other. | |||
:::However offtopic should have been in my talk page in place. '''--[[User:Pcsx2fan|Pcsx2fan]] 19:47, 20 February 2011 (UTC)''' | |||
:I almost forgot, you should add a special note like below to [[Help! How to contribute guide]]. As creating a game article, it's not easy for everyone especially editors to casually select and copy the genre name from the left side panel. Although I tested Wikipedia where is easy to copy text from left side panel. | |||
<pre> | |||
Editiors don't have to remember any names(longname or short name) of genres, | |||
just copy them from the list of game genres at left side panel, | |||
by clicking the center of the square as list item marker will select all text of a genre name, | |||
and then copy it. | |||
</pre> '''--[[User:Pcsx2fan|Pcsx2fan]] 20:42, 20 February 2011 (UTC)''' | |||
::Ah... You're too serious about being correct. I guess I'm much more less so. Okay, as you wish, I'll change those genres according to your taste. By the way, ''''em''', being a shortening for '''them''', obeys the same rules as "y'all", "you'll", "I'd", etc.; it contains this space mostly in titles. Although maybe I am incorrect here. | |||
::Additinaly you wouldn't have to copy-paste anything from the left bar it will work like before (using certain words to determine the genre). It's better and simplier this way. --[[User:Ngng|Ngng]] 06:07, 21 February 2011 (UTC) | |||
At last I examined all the game genre names at left side panel. | |||
'''Arcade (platform)''' where platform should be merged into '''Action''', thus '''Arcade''' and '''Action (platform)'''. As platform game and action game are similar I think. And here is an exception for '''Arcade (platform)''', according to Wikipedia, Super Mario is a platform game and I don't think that game ever appeared in Arcade. Arcade also include lotta [[:Category:Shoot 'em up]] games that are not platform at all. | |||
I didn't find the definition for Compilations game in Wikipedia but googled into another site http://www.mobygames.com/game-group/classic-compilation-games said that "Compilation games are game releases which primarily compile classic arcade and console titles from the 70's/80's era." If so, Complication games are also remake games exactly, [[:Category:Compilation]] should be deleted or merged into [[:Category:Remake]] thus '''Remakes (Compilations)''' showing at left side panel instead of '''Remakes'''. '''--[[User:Pcsx2fan|Pcsx2fan]] 14:54, 21 February 2011 (UTC)''' | |||
:I don't think it matters that much about Platform/Arcade. It's just a question of one's point of view. Compilation and Remakes were another point of view here (see the beginning of this very page). But I can understand your urge to make it right and I'm not the one to oppose it. If you're serious about your intentions to clean this up I can grant you rights to edit [[MediaWiki:Sidebar]] and to delete pages (i.e. admin rights) these are the only rights you lack to make this yourself. There are three conditions however: 1. don't take it too seriously, 2. be reasonable to users, 3. it would require a bit of your time to once in a while clean some mess especially if I'm not around. What do you think? If you feel you won't have the time for this I can assure you it's not like that: it's a quiet place, nothing big is ever happening around here. --[[User:Ngng|Ngng]] 20:25, 21 February 2011 (UTC) | |||
::I see, it's different viewpoint or opinion instead of consensus between Compilation and Remake, as KabooZ said before "also remakes are not only arcades and compilation is a good idea in it self ^^ ( remakes are things like tales of destiny for ps2 ) ". However I don't see an evidence here in this talk page to denote Platform is belonging to Arcade. [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mega_Man Mega Man] is a good example from Wikipedia its genre is Action and Platform. But since administrative privileges is required for me to change it, thanks for you are inviting me to be an admin here, unfortunately I gotta respectfully decline cuz I'm always busy in my numerous personal affairs. '''--[[User:Pcsx2fan|Pcsx2fan]] 00:17, 22 February 2011 (UTC)''' | |||
:Ah.., you're not the first, it was worth a try though, wasn't it. As for Platform/Arcade, I don't see a glaring problem here, you can state the game as 'Action,Arcade' and that will do the trick. According to the same tired 'ol Wikipedia (which is definitely NOT the almighty best source to everything) [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arcade_game#Arcade_genre Arcade] is not even a good genre on it's own. So maybe it's 'Arcade' genre that should be deleted after all. I kinda reluctant to changes for which I see a little or no point. You, on the other hand, can definitely do it even without some specific rights and I'll update the left bar according to your changes. --[[User:Ngng|Ngng]] 06:34, 22 February 2011 (UTC) | |||
::I think Arcade kept here is for people with nostalgia for arcade games, no matter how Arcade consists of wide variety of different independant game genres. | |||
::I don't mean to change the link of [[:Category:Action]] and [[:Category:Arcade]], just only rename '''Arcade (platform)''' to '''Arcade''' as well as '''Action''' to '''Action (platform)''' at left side panel. Another good example from Wikipedia is [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sonic_Unleashed Sonic Unleashed] which is also a combination of Action and Platform. Change them please, I suppose admin rights is required which I don't have. | |||
::Here is dedicated to ps2 games, I don't think we should exactly follow the classification that Wikipedia uses for game genres. | |||
::Besides, I just noticed something interesting and efficient, if a game is Action-RPG just declare Action and RPG for its genre, so we don't need the discrete <i>Action role-playing game</i> genre like Wikipedia does. '''--[[User:Pcsx2fan|Pcsx2fan]] 12:36, 22 February 2011 (UTC)''' | |||
:Ah... It's not just about renaming Arcade (platform) into Arcade, I also need to change a template for this and I also need to update (edit/save) each 'Platform' game as they now should be filed under 'Action' category. Alright, sure, I'll do the first changes but save/edit for those ~9 titles ([[:Category:Arcade]]) is up to you! --[[User:Ngng|Ngng]] 10:51, 23 February 2011 (UTC) | |||
::Now I'm done. I found it eventually just only simply edit and save to categorize platform game from Arcade to Action, nothing need to change. Every genre's fine, that's all for now for genres. '''--[[User:Pcsx2fan|Pcsx2fan]] 13:25, 23 February 2011 (UTC)''' | |||
== About description of CRC in the main page == | |||
I saw the CRC related line in the main page | |||
<b><pre>ELF (cdrom0:\SLPS_259.15;1) CRC=0x0A70CB4C, EntryPoint=0x00100008</pre></b> | |||
indeed the real CRC is the string after '''0x''', e.g. from the line above the real CRC is '''0A70CB4C''', thus 0A70CB4C.pnach for cheat. '''0x''' is added in 0.9.7, 0.9.6 simply shows real CRC in its dos window e.g. '''CRC = 0A70CB4C''' | |||
I noticed editor input the CRC with 0x into game article [[Yakuza]], this is wrong there 0x388F687B in that article won't work for cheat if use 0x388F687B.pnach | |||
You should say something in the main page [[Help! How to contribute guide]] to clarify real CRC is the string after '''0x''' in 0.9.7 '''--[[User:Pcsx2fan|Pcsx2fan]] 13:54, 23 February 2011 (UTC)''' | |||
:Agreed as always, but why don't you just change it yourself? It's not protected in any way. I can change it for you, alright, but the main thing that makes a wiki a wiki is that you can correct anything you don't like without asking anybody. --[[User:Ngng|Ngng]] 19:30, 23 February 2011 (UTC) | |||
::You are right I'll do it myself. It's the first time I'm being a Wikipedian, I have vague concept of wiki... '''--[[User:Pcsx2fan|Pcsx2fan]] 02:12, 24 February 2011 (UTC)''' | |||
== Adding game category == | |||
I'd like to add Stealth to the game genere list, according to: http://wiki.pcsx2.net/index.php/Help!_How_to_contribute_guide, the current game categories are: (Action, Adventure, Arcade, Compilation, Casual, Fighting, Horror, MMO, Minigames, Shooter, Sports, Racing, Remake, RPG, RTS are currently defined, please propose more on the talk page. It might be usefull for games like Tenchu and Splinter Cell. | |||
[[User:DoctorMuerte|DoctorMuerte]] ([[User talk:DoctorMuerte|talk]]) 12:35, 21 November 2014 (UTC) | |||
: Hi! I guess we can do that. I just wanted to avoid to overly increase their number, but, oh, well... I guess I'd also separate platformer and action and may be add simulation genre while at it. What do you think? --[[User:Ngng|Ngng]] ([[User talk:Ngng|talk]]) 16:49, 21 November 2014 (UTC) | |||
:: If the idea is to keep the category numbers from growing too much (which is a good idea), I don't think the quantity of games that can be tagged as stealth, justify a new genere. Take a look a this link: [http://www.metacritic.com/browse/games/genre/date/platformer/ps2?view=detailed Metacritic], and note the number of platformers and simulation games. If we can sacrifice a bit of precission to keep the wiki clean, then we might not need to add new generes. If adding new generes is not gonna cause any trouble, then I think its ok, but I'd like to see what others think. | |||
::By the way I 've made a question on the forum, perhaps you can take a look when possible: [http://forums.pcsx2.net/Thread-PCSX2-Wiki-collaboration-thread?page=8]. Thanks for your time. [[User:DoctorMuerte|DoctorMuerte]] ([[User talk:DoctorMuerte|talk]]) 17:12, 21 November 2014 (UTC) | |||
:Action and platformer in one genre was not a good decision from the start. So I think I'll correct at least this oversight. Other than that, let's wait for anyone to voice his/her opinion on this. --[[User:Ngng|Ngng]] ([[User talk:Ngng|talk]]) 18:08, 21 November 2014 (UTC) | |||