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new genres could be :

MiniGames (like tetris, compilations or as part of a game like in Final Fantasy )

Dating Sim (basically the principle of gaining influence, friendship, love or something similar through your decisions like answering to a special question (persona) general behavior (never winter nights) or through some actions (GTA San Andreas gaining girlfriends))

Jump & Run (obvious, klonoa for example)

Remake (obvious, it's debateble whether simple platform ports like Grandia 2 count I personally would say NO^^) though this is more of a category XD and would only be usefull if declaring more than one genre is supported

Sidescrolling (like mario on snes or Gradius V on PS2 mostly 2d games but some are 3D) this too usefull with more than one genre

MMO (obvious and probably not worth the time since NA only supports like 5 or 6 titles but in case japanese people use this wiki as well )

and I'd change fps into shooter as shooter is more flexible GTA is a shooter but not a FPS and Gradius V is a space shooter/sidescrolling but not a FPS KabooZ 11:50, September 21, 2009 (UTC)

  1. Minigames can still be stored as Arcades. They'll be scarce enough to fit in one screen. Though I can add it if you disagree.
  2. NWN is a dating sim?! 8-O :). Oh! I've got it! There're real dating sims on PS2, like hentai text anventures. Unfortunately most of them only available in Japanese. Well they are adventures btw, maybe stick to adventure category?
  3. Jump & Run can also be categorized as Arcade? Why not?
  4. Hmm.. Remake is dufficult. Old arcades in a compilation still are arcades, aren't they? Maybe 'Compilation' is a better category name for it?
  5. MMO is OK to add (there aren't so many, though), I'll do it.
  6. FPS -> Shooter, I second it, too. Will change it a bit later.

I understand that it is a fun to categorize games extensively (like's Plot Keywords). We can do it, why not? Than again -- will it be useful or funny to have it?
Currently there are too few people here to make a discussion, so we have to do it without the others. --Ngng 12:38, September 21, 2009 (UTC)

I understand where you are coming from with the arcades since they are mostly arcades like tetris etc but arcades are too distinct jump& run, tetris, and sidescrolling shooter are all arcade type games... so is need for speed at least the first ones up to 4 I think XD but if you search for arcade games then you'd get LOTS of different types... which is kind of contra productive I don't have anything against arcade though.

NWN2 is adating sim since you have the influence values for your companions and they change as does their affection for you with your reactions those hentai like textbased dating sims are actually a type for itself called "Visual Novels" and they don't need to be hentai Ever17 for example is not in the slightest

also remakes are not only arcades and compilation is a good idea in it self ^^ ( remakes are things like tales of destiny for ps2 )

also you can't tag GTA or FFX arcade just because they got minigames XD

KabooZ 13:24, September 21, 2009 (UTC)

Ah, NWN2... I've dropped it right from the start... I did however really like NWN1. Do you really want add "Dating Sim" category? It's kinda funny btw... :)

Talking about hentai games I've never mentioned no BS word. They are the ordinary games and many of them I believe are very good. So will we leave them in adventure or do they need the special treatment?
I'm also adding the compilation...
Do we have a deal on arcades (considering that I've added Minigames)?
Remakes are (as I get it) the games ported from another console or the PC? I admit I cannot see much sense in adding this. Those games still fit in our common categories, but if you insist I'll add this too, not really that important for me.
I'm committing some changes for now, please control me. --Ngng 18:22, September 21, 2009 (UTC)

no it's quite alright now ^^ minigames + arcade are fine i think dating sim doesn't have to be^^ since it's very minor

remakes still are not just ports remakes have special features or new graphics and I mean a completely rewritten game like

Wild Arms and Wild Arms alter Code F I hope the screens work^^

it's a very different thing you see? KabooZ 19:29, September 21, 2009 (UTC)

Yeah... They are a tiny bit different, alright... :) Ok, I'm adding now: Horror Games (maybe stored as adventures but someone may want to browse horror games only), Casual Games (they're not arcades mostly) and Remakes. Hope we've seen the last of them. :) --Ngng 07:28, September 22, 2009 (UTC)

Predefined Templates

Well, the create box I added to help people add new games doesn't seem to be using the templates. Ugh. With that in mind, I added that ugly copypasta box so people can paste it into new pages. Sorry, but without being able to preload templates that's the best we can do right now. - Trucidation 02:24, 8 January 2011 (UTC)

You just need to have fun while trying. Everything is a game here after all, if you can't do on the first attempt just try the second time. The fortress will fall sooner or later, they aren't meant to hold that long! --Ngng 18:47, 8 January 2011 (UTC)

Thanks, I see you managed to get it working. Heh. I wandered around shoutwiki's help pages but couldn't find the relevant code to get templates preloaded. I knew it should be there, after all it's such a basic feature. Good thing you got it fixed :) - Trucidation 23:57, 8 January 2011 (UTC)

More detailed game genres

Strategy should be divided into its two major parts as Real-time strategy and Turn-based strategy, the two are opposite type of game.

But if you don't wanna change, at least rename the link of Strategy category from to, cuz RTS is the abbreviation for Real-time strategy not for strategy game as a whole, and categorize strategy(all letters in lower case) as Category:Strategy so that Turn-based strategy used as genre in my game Chenwen no Sangokushi (鄭問之三國誌) can be recognized.

Similar situation to Shooter game divide into Shoot 'em up and First-person shooter.

More detailed categories help disambiguate and make user not to be confused in a particular category. e.g. someone interested in Turn-based strategy but dislike Real-time strategy for current Strategy category, or like me interest in Shoot 'em up but show no interest in First-person shooter for current Shooters category. Pcsx2fan 03:07, 19 February 2011 (UTC)

I agree with you that FPS and RTS genres are a bit confusing and it would be only natural to divide them into at least two subgenres. Yet it's not that easy to do. We don't have a good enough tool to distinguish between real-time strategy and turn base strategy. Take a look at the bottom of this page. You can see how it works, its just simple comparison of words against the genre string and is a case sensitive one at that. :-\ For now all the gernres that contain words "RTS" and "Strategy" will be filed under "RTS" category and those contain "Shooter" or "FPS" will go into "Shooter" category. Lets split them alright, but first we need to find out how. I can propose something like:
"RTS",("Real" and "strategy"),("real" and "strategy") -> Category:RTS
"TBS", ("Turn" and "strategy"),("turn" and "strategy") -> Category:TBS
"FPS","Shooter","shooter" -> Category:FPS
("Shoot" and "them"),("shoot" and "them") -> Category:Shoot-em-up
Although it would only be viable if I will make this stupid braket language work in case of 'and' conjunction which I didn't try before. I can also maybe lowercase the genre beforehand with {{lc:XXX}} command so the comparison will be case insensitive (it would make this mess of a code much more messier). What do you think? --Ngng 06:44, 19 February 2011 (UTC)
It isn't that complicated, just fine follow the nomenclature that Wikipedia is using.
"Real-time strategy" as a whole categorized as Category:RTS, same method for the rest 3:
"Turn-based strategy" -> Category:TBS
"First-person shooter" -> Category:FPS
"Shoot 'em up" -> Category:shmup
The formula I herein use is "full name of a genre" -> Category:Abbreviation --Pcsx2fan 15:28, 19 February 2011 (UTC)
There is a flaw in this approach. These names will need to be remembered by the contributors on the contrary to my first intention to free the editors from this additional burden and let them write as they please. Besides the old approach is working alright, so why changing it (it would also require to reparse all already filled articles)? I'll try to do something tomorrow (now it's a bit late for it), you'll see it'll feel okay. BTW, shmup is hmmm... not so good abbreviation in my opinion; it's kinda silly and funny. --Ngng 19:25, 19 February 2011 (UTC)
Wait, I didn't mean to change all the names of genres here to follow Wikipedia, only for the 4 aforementioned categories above.
Editiors don't have to remember any names(longname or short name) of genres, just copy them from the list of game genres at left side panel(click the center of the square as list item marker will select all text of a genre name and copy it).
I was presuming you would like to use abbreviation for genre names that displaying at the bottom of each game articles, but IMO I prefer fullname for genre names the way Wikipedia uses since showing fullname is more clear than abbreviation. So:
"Real-time strategy" -> Category:Real-time strategy
"Turn-based strategy" -> Category:Turn-based strategy
"First-person shooter" -> Category:First-person shooter
"Shoot 'em up" -> Category:Shoot 'em up
The word shmup is not for fun, it is recorded in the corresponding Wikipedia article for Shoot 'em up. --Pcsx2fan 09:45, 20 February 2011 (UTC)
Ok, it's your turn to estimate is this all ok now. Your 4 categories should be working fine and shmup is still a funny name (honestly, I'm not trying to offend you). To change RPG category into "Role-playing games" category one has to update (by editing and saving) each acticle from this category, so it's just not practical to do it. Lets say, it maybe is more 'correct' to have fully named categories but it's not a crucial thing.
On a side note I've always been interested in how deep is the difference between written traditional Chinese and Japanese. I gather you understand Japanese without any additional study apart maybe from some words of phrases. Is that so? (Sorry for this unexpected question, but I've got noone else to ask. It's exciting that two languages can be so different in nature yet have the common script.) --Ngng 16:09, 20 February 2011 (UTC)
What I concern is the genre name displayed at the bottom of each game article and at left side panel, not the Genre field for which editor enter genre name when creating or editing an game article.
Yes it's not crucial whether genre name is in abbreviation or fullname. But abbreviation in use should be common among games so that a game's type can be recognized at first glance.
I think RPG, FPS and RTS are common abbreviation, people can recognize the type of a game immediately when glance at those abbreviations at the bottom of each game article.
I think TBS and shmup are uncommon abbreviation, people can't recognize them at first glance.
common abbreviation should leave them alone still in abbreviation.
uncommon abbreviation should transform into fullname.
However which abbreviation is common or uncommon might be need more confirmation from native English speakers.
The current name Shoot'em up should be Shoot 'em up, there is a space between Shoot and 'em

as to Traditional Chinese and Japanese, the two languages are sharing a huge amount of Traditional Chinese Characters, but the meaning of same character or word consists of same characters may or may not be different from each other.
However offtopic should have been in my talk page in place. --Pcsx2fan 19:47, 20 February 2011 (UTC)
I almost forgot, you should add a special note like below to Help! How to contribute guide. As creating a game article, it's not easy for everyone especially editors to casually select and copy the genre name from the left side panel. Although I tested Wikipedia where is easy to copy text from left side panel.
Editiors don't have to remember any names(longname or short name) of genres,
just copy them from the list of game genres at left side panel,
by clicking the center of the square as list item marker will select all text of a genre name,
and then copy it.

--Pcsx2fan 20:42, 20 February 2011 (UTC)

Ah... You're too serious about being correct. I guess I'm much more less so. Okay, as you wish, I'll change those genres according to your taste. By the way, 'em, being a shortening for them, obeys the same rules as "y'all", "you'll", "I'd", etc.; it contains this space mostly in titles. Although maybe I am incorrect here.
Additinaly you wouldn't have to copy-paste anything from the left bar it will work like before (using certain words to determine the genre). It's better and simplier this way. --Ngng 06:07, 21 February 2011 (UTC)

At last I examined all the game genre names at left side panel.

Arcade (platform) where platform should be merged into Action, thus Arcade and Action (platform). As platform game and action game are similar I think. And here is an exception for Arcade (platform), according to Wikipedia, Super Mario is a platform game and I don't think that game ever appeared in Arcade. Arcade also include lotta Category:Shoot 'em up games that are not platform at all.

I didn't find the definition for Compilations game in Wikipedia but googled into another site said that "Compilation games are game releases which primarily compile classic arcade and console titles from the 70's/80's era." If so, Complication games are also remake games exactly, Category:Compilation should be deleted or merged into Category:Remake thus Remakes (Compilations) showing at left side panel instead of Remakes. --Pcsx2fan 14:54, 21 February 2011 (UTC)

I don't think it matters that much about Platform/Arcade. It's just a question of one's point of view. Compilation and Remakes were another point of view here (see the beginning of this very page). But I can understand your urge to make it right and I'm not the one to oppose it. If you're serious about your intentions to clean this up I can grant you rights to edit MediaWiki:Sidebar and to delete pages (i.e. admin rights) these are the only rights you lack to make this yourself. There are three conditions however: 1. don't take it too seriously, 2. be reasonable to users, 3. it would require a bit of your time to once in a while clean some mess especially if I'm not around. What do you think? If you feel you won't have the time for this I can assure you it's not like that: it's a quiet place, nothing big is ever happening around here. --Ngng 20:25, 21 February 2011 (UTC)
I see, it's different viewpoint or opinion instead of consensus between Compilation and Remake, as KabooZ said before "also remakes are not only arcades and compilation is a good idea in it self ^^ ( remakes are things like tales of destiny for ps2 ) ". However I don't see an evidence here in this talk page to denote Platform is belonging to Arcade. Mega Man is a good example from Wikipedia its genre is Action and Platform. But since administrative privileges is required for me to change it, thanks for you are inviting me to be an admin here, unfortunately I gotta respectfully decline cuz I'm always busy in my numerous personal affairs. --Pcsx2fan 00:17, 22 February 2011 (UTC)
Ah.., you're not the first, it was worth a try though, wasn't it. As for Platform/Arcade, I don't see a glaring problem here, you can state the game as 'Action,Arcade' and that will do the trick. According to the same tired 'ol Wikipedia (which is definitely NOT the almighty best source to everything) Arcade is not even a good genre on it's own. So maybe it's 'Arcade' genre that should be deleted after all. I kinda reluctant to changes for which I see a little or no point. You, on the other hand, can definitely do it even without some specific rights and I'll update the left bar according to your changes. --Ngng 06:34, 22 February 2011 (UTC)
I think Arcade kept here is for people with nostalgia for arcade games, no matter how Arcade consists of wide variety of different independant game genres.
I don't mean to change the link of Category:Action and Category:Arcade, just only rename Arcade (platform) to Arcade as well as Action to Action (platform) at left side panel. Another good example from Wikipedia is Sonic Unleashed which is also a combination of Action and Platform. Change them please, I suppose admin rights is required which I don't have.
Here is dedicated to ps2 games, I don't think we should exactly follow the classification that Wikipedia uses for game genres.
Besides, I just noticed something interesting and efficient, if a game is Action-RPG just declare Action and RPG for its genre, so we don't need the discrete Action role-playing game genre like Wikipedia does. --Pcsx2fan 12:36, 22 February 2011 (UTC)
Ah... It's not just about renaming Arcade (platform) into Arcade, I also need to change a template for this and I also need to update (edit/save) each 'Platform' game as they now should be filed under 'Action' category. Alright, sure, I'll do the first changes but save/edit for those ~9 titles (Category:Arcade) is up to you! --Ngng 10:51, 23 February 2011 (UTC)
Now I'm done. I found it eventually just only simply edit and save to categorize platform game from Arcade to Action, nothing need to change. Every genre's fine, that's all for now for genres. --Pcsx2fan 13:25, 23 February 2011 (UTC)

About description of CRC in the main page

I saw the CRC related line in the main page

ELF (cdrom0:\SLPS_259.15;1) CRC=0x0A70CB4C, EntryPoint=0x00100008

indeed the real CRC is the string after 0x, e.g. from the line above the real CRC is 0A70CB4C, thus 0A70CB4C.pnach for cheat. 0x is added in 0.9.7, 0.9.6 simply shows real CRC in its dos window e.g. CRC = 0A70CB4C I noticed editor input the CRC with 0x into game article Yakuza, this is wrong there 0x388F687B in that article won't work for cheat if use 0x388F687B.pnach You should say something in the main page Help! How to contribute guide to clarify real CRC is the string after 0x in 0.9.7 --Pcsx2fan 13:54, 23 February 2011 (UTC)

Agreed as always, but why don't you just change it yourself? It's not protected in any way. I can change it for you, alright, but the main thing that makes a wiki a wiki is that you can correct anything you don't like without asking anybody. --Ngng 19:30, 23 February 2011 (UTC)
You are right I'll do it myself. It's the first time I'm being a Wikipedian, I have vague concept of wiki... --Pcsx2fan 02:12, 24 February 2011 (UTC)

Adding game category

I'd like to add Stealth to the game genere list, according to:!_How_to_contribute_guide, the current game categories are: (Action, Adventure, Arcade, Compilation, Casual, Fighting, Horror, MMO, Minigames, Shooter, Sports, Racing, Remake, RPG, RTS are currently defined, please propose more on the talk page. It might be usefull for games like Tenchu and Splinter Cell.

DoctorMuerte (talk) 12:35, 21 November 2014 (UTC)

Hi! I guess we can do that. I just wanted to avoid to overly increase their number, but, oh, well... I guess I'd also separate platformer and action and may be add simulation genre while at it. What do you think? --Ngng (talk) 16:49, 21 November 2014 (UTC)
If the idea is to keep the category numbers from growing too much (which is a good idea), I don't think the quantity of games that can be tagged as stealth, justify a new genere. Take a look a this link: Metacritic, and note the number of platformers and simulation games. If we can sacrifice a bit of precission to keep the wiki clean, then we might not need to add new generes. If adding new generes is not gonna cause any trouble, then I think its ok, but I'd like to see what others think.
By the way I 've made a question on the forum, perhaps you can take a look when possible: [1]. Thanks for your time. DoctorMuerte (talk) 17:12, 21 November 2014 (UTC)
Action and platformer in one genre was not a good decision from the start. So I think I'll correct at least this oversight. Other than that, let's wait for anyone to voice his/her opinion on this. --Ngng (talk) 18:08, 21 November 2014 (UTC)