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new genres could be :

MiniGames (like tetris, compilations or as part of a game like in Final Fantasy )

Dating Sim (basically the principle of  gaining influence, friendship, love or something similar through your decisions like answering to a special question (persona) general behavior (never winter nights) or through some actions (GTA San Andreas gaining girlfriends))

Jump & Run (obvious, klonoa for example)

Remake (obvious, it's debateble whether simple platform ports like Grandia 2 count I personally would say NO^^) though this is more of a category XD and would only be usefull if declaring more than one genre is supported

Sidescrolling (like mario on snes or Gradius V on PS2 mostly 2d games but some are 3D) this too usefull with more than one genre

MMO (obvious and probably not worth the time since NA only supports like 5 or 6 titles but in case japanese people use this wiki as well )

and I'd change fps into shooter as shooter is more flexible GTA is a shooter but not a FPS and Gradius V is a space shooter/sidescrolling but not a FPS
[[User:KabooZ|KabooZ]] 11:50, September 21, 2009 (UTC)

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# Minigames can still be stored as [[:Category:Arcade|Arcades]]. They'll be scarce enough to fit in one screen. Though I can add it if you disagree.
# NWN is a dating sim?! 8-O :). Oh! I've got it! There're real dating sims on PS2, like hentai text anventures. Unfortunately most of them only available in Japanese. Well they are adventures btw, maybe stick to adventure category?
# Jump & Run can also be categorized as Arcade? Why not?
# Hmm.. Remake is dufficult. Old arcades in a compilation still are arcades, aren't they? Maybe 'Compilation' is a better category name for it?
# MMO is OK to add (there aren't so many, though), I'll do it.
# FPS -> Shooter, I second it, too. Will change it a bit later.
I understand that it is a fun to categorize games extensively (like imdb.com's Plot Keywords). We can do it, why not? Than again -- will it be useful or funny to have it?<br />
Currently there are too few people here to make a discussion, so we have to do it without the others. --[[User:Ngng|Ngng]] 12:38, September 21, 2009 (UTC)

I understand where you are coming from with the arcades since they are mostly arcades like tetris etc but arcades are too distinct jump& run, tetris, and sidescrolling shooter are all arcade type games... so is need for speed at least the first ones up to 4 I think XD
but if you search for arcade games then you'd get LOTS of different types... which is kind of contra productive I don't have anything against arcade though.

NWN2 is adating sim since you have the influence values for your companions and they change as does their affection for you with your reactions
those hentai like textbased dating sims are actually a type for itself called "Visual Novels" and they don't need to be hentai Ever17 for example is not in the slightest 

also remakes are not only arcades and compilation is a good idea in it self ^^ ( remakes are things like tales of destiny for ps2 )

also you can't tag GTA or FFX arcade just because they got minigames XD

[[User:KabooZ|KabooZ]] 13:24, September 21, 2009 (UTC)

: Ah, NWN2... I've dropped it right from the start... I did however really like NWN1. Do you really want add "Dating Sim" category? It's kinda funny btw... :)<br>
Talking about hentai games I've never mentioned no BS word. They are the ordinary games and many of them I believe are very good. So will we leave them in adventure or do they need the special treatment?<br>
I'm also adding the compilation...<br>
Do we have a deal on arcades (considering that I've added Minigames)?<br>
Remakes are (as I get it) the games ported from another console or the PC? I admit I cannot see much sense in adding this. Those games still fit in our common categories, but if you insist I'll add this too, not really that important for me.<br>
I'm committing some changes for now, please control me. --[[User:Ngng|Ngng]] 18:22, September 21, 2009 (UTC)

no it's quite alright now ^^ minigames + arcade are fine i think 
dating sim doesn't have to be^^ since it's very minor

remakes still are not just ports remakes have special features or new graphics and I mean a completely rewritten game like

[http://rpgcorner.online.fr/tests/WildARMs/waone01.JPG Wild Arms] and [http://ps2media.ign.com/ps2/image/article/664/664230/wild-arms-alter-code-f-20051103060813376_640w.jpg Wild Arms alter Code F]
I hope the screens work^^

it's a very different thing you see?
[[User:KabooZ|KabooZ]] 19:29, September 21, 2009 (UTC)

:Yeah... They are a tiny bit different, alright... :) Ok, I'm adding now: Horror Games (maybe stored as adventures but someone may want to browse horror games only), Casual Games (they're not arcades mostly) and Remakes. Hope we've seen the last of them. :) --[[User:Ngng|Ngng]] 07:28, September 22, 2009 (UTC)

==Predefined Templates==
Well, the create box I added to help people add new games doesn't seem to be using the templates. Ugh. With that in mind, I added that ugly copypasta box so people can paste it into new pages. Sorry, but without being able to preload templates that's the best we can do right now. - [[User:Trucidation|Trucidation]] 02:24, 8 January 2011 (UTC)

:You just need to have fun while trying. Everything is a game here after all, if you can't do on the first attempt just try the second time. The fortress will fall sooner or later, they aren't meant to hold that long! --[[User:Ngng|Ngng]] 18:47, 8 January 2011 (UTC)

Thanks, I see you managed to get it working. Heh. I wandered around shoutwiki's help pages but couldn't find the relevant code to get templates preloaded. I knew it should be there, after all it's such a basic feature. Good thing you got it fixed :) - [[User:Trucidation|Trucidation]] 23:57, 8 January 2011 (UTC)

== More detailed game genres ==

Strategy should be divided into its two major parts as Real-time strategy and Turn-based strategy, the two are opposite type of game.

But if you don't wanna change, at least rename the link of Strategy category from http://pcsx2.shoutwiki.com/wiki/Category:RTS to http://pcsx2.shoutwiki.com/wiki/Category:Strategy, cuz RTS is the abbreviation for Real-time strategy not for strategy game as a whole, and categorize '''strategy'''(all letters in lower case) as Category:Strategy so that Turn-based strategy used as genre in my game [[Chenwen no Sangokushi (鄭問之三國誌)]] can be recognized.

Similar situation to Shooter game divide into Shoot 'em up and First-person shooter.

More detailed categories help disambiguate and make user not to be confused in a particular category.
e.g. someone interested in Turn-based strategy but dislike Real-time strategy for current Strategy category, or like me interest in Shoot 'em up but show no interest in First-person shooter for current Shooters category.
[[User:Pcsx2fan|Pcsx2fan]] 03:07, 19 February 2011 (UTC)

:I agree with you that FPS and RTS genres are a bit confusing and it would be only natural to divide them into at least two subgenres. Yet it's not that easy to do. We don't have a good enough tool to distinguish between real-time strategy and turn base strategy. Take a look at the bottom of this [http://pcsx2.shoutwiki.com/w/index.php?title=Template:Infobox_game&action=edit page]. You can see how it works, its just simple comparison of words against the genre string and is a case sensitive one at that. :-\ For now all the gernres that contain words "RTS" and "Strategy" will be filed under "RTS" category and those contain "Shooter" or "FPS" will go into "Shooter" category. Lets split them alright, but first we need to find out how. I can propose something like:<br/>
:"RTS",("Real" and "strategy"),("real" and "strategy") -> [[:Category:RTS]]<br/>
:"TBS", ("Turn" and "strategy"),("turn" and "strategy") -> [[:Category:TBS]]<br/>
:"FPS","Shooter","shooter" -> [[:Category:FPS]]<br/>
:("Shoot" and "them"),("shoot" and "them") -> [[:Category:Shoot-em-up]]<br/>
:Although it would only be viable if I will make this stupid braket language work in case of 'and' conjunction which I didn't try before. I can also maybe lowercase the genre beforehand with <nowiki>{{lc:XXX}}</nowiki> command so the comparison will be case insensitive (it would make this mess of a code much more messier). What do you think? --[[User:Ngng|Ngng]] 06:44, 19 February 2011 (UTC)

::It isn't that complicated, just fine follow the nomenclature that Wikipedia is using.
::"Real-time strategy" as a whole categorized as [[:Category:RTS]], same method for the rest 3:
::"Turn-based strategy" -> [[:Category:TBS]]
::"First-person shooter" -> [[:Category:FPS]]
::"Shoot 'em up" -> [[:Category:shmup]]

::The formula I herein use is "full name of a genre" -> [[:Category:Abbreviation]] '''--[[User:Pcsx2fan|Pcsx2fan]] 15:28, 19 February 2011 (UTC)'''