PCSX2 Wiki:Community Portal
PCSX2 Wiki and Spam
It seems that the wiki seems to be getting a lot of spam lately; anyone have a plan? MyDreamName 10:50, 13 August 2011 (BST)
- I don't have the rights for deletion here and that's too bad. But other than that the spammers will leave the place if all their attempts will be in vain. It's just a matter of time. --Ngng 06:15, 14 August 2011 (BST)
- By the way, I meant to ask why you don't have deletion rights? Is that because the pages could only be manually deleted by the host (Bositman)? MyDreamName 00:21, 15 August 2011 (BST)
- I have a bit different rights here (for example I cannot promote to admins, though it's not important). But page deletion rights sometimes are crucial especially in case of spam :(. --Ngng 06:10, 15 August 2011 (BST)
- I noticed that all of the spam articles are mostly made with Capitalized Words Like This in the title, except the last word. (with the exception of one article having "a job" not being capitalized). Any way something like that could be fed into a spam filter so that the article isn't made and a red flag appears? Probably not, but it looks like it is one group creating the accounts on different IPs and they all look like they are just spambots with no person behind them, so it might be worth analyzing their patterns if they don't end up going away. MyDreamName 03:43, 16 August 2011 (BST)
- Also - It's funny, the spammers found us even if I can't find this page on any of the major search engines. Must be one of the active users here... I know it isn't me, so it MUST be Bositman... :P MyDreamName 03:52, 16 August 2011 (BST)
- :) Yeah! It's definitely him!
- I still think it's not a bot's work. But if it's not gonna go away there must be some protection from this in a wiki world. There're many farms around and they aren't affected so I must've missed some wiki addon...
- If only I have a little more time for contribution I'd come up with some ideas here or just game updates. Ah, no life for me. :-\ -Ngng 19:04, 16 August 2011 (BST)
- So is it an IP ban, too? If so, is he using a proxy? If so, we could try blocking all of the proxy IPs listed at proxy.org - I imagine that's what he would try to be using if he was a human. If it is a bot, I did also notice that the time between account creation and creating the spam is about 10-30 minutes, so if an article with the weird capitalization I mentioned is created in the first hour after an account is created, it could be blocked? We could also try blocking any link posted by the spammer and prevent any changes (including new article creation) if that link is posted. I doubt that MediaWiki provides such flexibility for those last two things, sadly, though. MyDreamName 22:55, 16 August 2011 (BST)
- Sadly I cannot not do lasting IP bans :( But I'd go for banning open proxies as explained here. --Ngng 05:23, 18 August 2011 (BST)
- I also noticed that all of the spamming accounts have exactly two capital letters in them in a kind of "first name, last name" deal. Now I seriously doubt MediaWiki would be THAT flexible to deal with that, but it's worth noting. MyDreamName 01:09, 17 August 2011 (BST)
- So, I'm fairly sure it's spambots; unfortunately due to the last two articles, that looks like a new one. Don't see their account creations on the recent logs though, we need help. MyDreamName 13:51, 17 August 2011 (BST)
- They've created all the accounts they use but I can certainly see your point about some help now. My thoughts are to enable ConfirmEdit in conjunction with the mentioned proxy blocking. Too bad I cannot ban IPs and erase pages it would be over in a minute. --Ngng 05:32, 18 August 2011 (BST)
- Well, I'm against the open-proxy blocking - this could possibly block a lot of users, especially in countries that only use one/few IPs (such as in the middle-east). And, like mentioned in the article, spammers could log in on a non-proxy, and then switch over to a proxy (it does not block logged-in users). What I would be in favor of is putting in some sort of captcha in combination of blocking users from creating articles until a certain amount of edits are made (five should do) and see where we go from there. MyDreamName 05:39, 18 August 2011 (BST)
- Oh! However, I would like the captchas to go away if possible for users who have enough edits. It could make some tedious tasks much longer if you had to enter a captcha each time. MyDreamName 05:42, 18 August 2011 (BST)
- These captchas will only affect pages with external links, afaik only those edits actually ADD an external link to a page. If this is the case the captchas are no longer a concern. And open proxy blocking should be applied only to these particular edits with external links. The other way would be just to restore the rights to delete pages and to bad and IPs and those spammers will only generate some useless traffic. Not a big deal.
- Bositman is not on IRC right now so I'll linger there for some time today waiting for him to appear (he maybe on vacation, though, and this'd be a tough luck). --Ngng 06:03, 18 August 2011 (BST)
- Well, I haven't had any tedious work to do on here involving external links, so I suppose that works. Anyways, if you get Bositman on IRC, go and bug him to add the wiki to the navigation bar on the front page or something to that effect - at this point, we're not really significant to any search engine or the easiest to find. Can I have the IIRC address/channel so I could go there and talk to you instead of clogging up the top of this page? MyDreamName 06:10, 18 August 2011 (BST)
- He promised a proper wiki introduction later so I will not bother him with it (but you on the other hand can). I don't know if I may tell you their dev IRC channel (you can guess it anyway) but here's the common one: irc://irc.efnet.org/pcsx2 better use this I guess. --Ngng 06:46, 18 August 2011 (BST)
I took a look at what Brazil uses for their TV frequencies and discovered the "PAL-M" mode. I was thinking that this could perhaps be added to the template that covers game information, but had the potential to have this part added? I was thinking that this could be done to any other frequencies that don't fit into the three on there. For example, "Air Raid 3" was released in both the EU and Brazil. There is no way to explain the compatibility for both versions on the current template. MyDreamName 02:16, 15 August 2011 (BST)
- It's also the issue with PAL-G (for German games). But it's still PAL in its heart so it could be addressed in the PAL section commentary. We can, of course, modify the template to indicate all those regions but it may only bring confusion to users (besides I doubt that many PAL-M games behave differently compared to PAL, it's possible but very unlikely). Try it if you want to see how it'll look we can always go back (or not). --Ngng 06:05, 15 August 2011 (BST)
Well, I was thinking of modifying the template so that the three default regions (PAL, NTSC-U, NTSC-J) show up, but regions such as PAL-M could be added if necessary by advanced editors. MyDreamName 03:56, 16 August 2011 (BST)
- Go for it then :) (PAL-M looks like the only PAL that is quite different from EU PALs so it might be worth it). --Ngng 18:54, 16 August 2011 (BST)
- Well, I would, but honestly I haven't worked on templates in forever so I would have no idea how I would add that + have it hidden by default without breaking anything. Also, this is a late post. MyDreamName 17:49, 22 August 2011 (BST)
Ok then I'll do it myself later today. It's not that hard you'll see. On the side note I guess we have defeated our spammer after all. He may have created all those pages automatically but the account creation is another story. And now that I can delete pages no spammer would want to bother. Good! --Ngng 06:50, 27 August 2011 (BST)
Adding games automatically to the correct page if the developer's page is a redirect
Hey Ngng, I was wondering that if the text in the developer field of a game linked to a redirect, could the template possibly be changed so that the game falls under the page that it was redirected to? Or perhaps, if a different link is provided along with the text (kind of like "Rockstar Games | Rockstar North" with double brackets instead of quotes - if put into the developer field, it'll still have the game placed under "Rockstar North" instead of "Rockstar Games"), that it could automatically place the game under the developer linked to? This would probably be better than having a page for "Rockstar North", "Rockstar Leeds", "Rockstar Vancouver", etc. and whatever other divisions they have and just putting their information in sections under "Rockstar Games", along with having their games hanging off that page. This would also be a good feature if there are different games that were developed under different people but effectively the same company. MyDreamName 20:21, 30 August 2011 (BST)
- To get the actual page from the redirect and to put it in the text inside of template I guess is... impossible (to my knowledge anyway). I've already gone further with those developers than I previously thought is possible so for this issue I can come with another cheaper solution. Why not leave them as Rockstar North, Rockstar Vancouver, etc. but redirect from their developers' pages instead into Rockstar Games page? On the other hand we can just ignore these divisions altogether and set each game to Rockstar Games. The other solution can be to manually add Rockstar Games category to the page so it will be listed there along with Rockstar North, etc.
- I think I could do something to this pipe symbol when parsing the template but it's already grown quite big and every additional feature does cost in CPU load on the server side. We can ignore this fact or go some other way.
- Oh, btw, about this image... It wasn't my fault, it was on it's wikipedia page. Ah, ok, my fault... --Ngng 06:37, 31 August 2011 (BST)
- Well, it doesn't have to be a change to the template necessarily - especially if it causes too much of a load on the webserver. I had already created the redirects for those subdivisions and what I wanted to do is make sure the games themselves fall under Rockstar Games (whereas currently they are falling under Rockstar North, etc.). Since the games from Rockstar are really the only issue with these multiple divisions when it comes to PS2 games, I'm wondering if it would be possible to manually remove these games from the developers such as Rockstar North and manually drag them to Rockstar Games? MyDreamName 19:48, 31 August 2011 (BST)
- It's a good question how to remove the game from the category if the category is set automatically by a template. I don't know the answer to it yet (it may not be even possible). Adding to a new category on the other hand is quite easy.
- Hmmm. I think I've just found yet another way to do it... I'll experiment for a while to be sure. --Ngng 12:32, 1 September 2011 (BST)
- I've managed to implement it your way (don't even ask how). It shouldn't be much harder for the server as I decreased the number of replace and explode calls but increased the number of nested templates. --Ngng 19:46, 2 September 2011 (BST)